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mkint
#21 - 2016-11-23 15:52:38 UTC
You'd think since the UI in the game is so abysmally terrible, they'd give people, especially the rookies, the best opportunity possible to make it not suck. After being away from the game a while and coming back, I strongly suspect the UI alone helps wreck the game's retention rates.

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Mightylink
Doomheim
#22 - 2016-11-23 16:16:39 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
The RGB sliders are gone and you're left with the preset's only.
You're not the first person to bring this up either.

I don't even see the presets, the only option in that whole tab is to set the transperency, I see no caldari or gallente or any other themes to select.
Yarosara Ruil
#23 - 2016-11-23 16:26:12 UTC
Alpha clones can't fly Guristas ships or use Guristas Neocom colors. And that's terrible.
Cristl
#24 - 2016-11-23 18:33:46 UTC
Alphas have restricted UI colours?! Well that is ridiculous, I'm sure we can get that changed.
Tryaz
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-11-23 19:22:58 UTC
I've just found this out for myself and I have to say I'm more than a little annoyed. What the hell CCP? I would NEVER and I mean NEVER consider subscribing to a game just to access color options on the UI. The exclusion of it however is something that just makes this game poorer.
Ascension and the inclusion of the Alpha state has been an overwhelmingly positive move in my humble opinion. This petty decision about UI color is a sad stain on this expansion for me. #noonecares2016

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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#26 - 2016-11-23 20:03:17 UTC
Velarra wrote:
If the eve UI genuinely took into account people who're color blind and provided them with options in the UI to address weakness in the viewing of some colors, it'd be rather helpful.

https://nei.nih.gov/health/color_blindness/facts_about

It's not just people suffering with colour-blindness. It really is anyone with a sensory impairment. I'm a lot older than many here and my eyesight is not as good as it once was and I too find a lot of the UI hard to read. For example when hovering over an item in your cargo hold you get white text on a darker ground for the description but a mid-grey text on the dark background for the estimated price. That's hard for me to see and in fact I didn't notice it was there for a while.

See, unlike the devs. we aren't all 20 somethings and our sight and hearing may not be as good as they once were, and anything that makes it hard to use the UI is not a very nice thing to have to cope with.
Krima Sumyungi
Makavi Industries
#27 - 2016-11-24 10:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Krima Sumyungi
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/c/color_blindness/stats-country.htm

Just under 4000 color-blind people in the whole country.
Not really a wonder they don't take them in to account when making decisions.

I doubt it's maliciousness, just a matter of awareness.

--Gadget

That shows 3.5 million people just in the U.S. alone have color blindness. If they only did business in Iceland, then maybe they'd have the excuse "they didn't know". But they do business in multiple countries across the globe. To claim they don't know is to basically claim they're incompetent.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#28 - 2016-11-24 13:36:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadget Helmsdottir
Krima Sumyungi wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/c/color_blindness/stats-country.htm

Just under 4000 color-blind people in the whole country.
Not really a wonder they don't take them in to account when making decisions.

I doubt it's maliciousness, just a matter of awareness.

--Gadget

That shows 3.5 million people just in the U.S. alone have color blindness. If they only did business in Iceland, then maybe they'd have the excuse "they didn't know". But they do business in multiple countries across the globe. To claim they don't know is to basically claim they're incompetent.



They're a bunch of *IT mooks and code monkeys with a storyteller and a few artists thrown in, not savvy corporate ambassadors of world spanning conglomerates. They may have access to an economist or two, but which employee or consultant is the global social scientist? Unless that happens to be some employee's random undergrad, I doubt they have one on tap.

Incompetent isn't the correct word, inexperienced would be.
And that's fine. They can learn... or sub to Omega Business People once they have enough ISK to PLEX. Smile

--Gadget


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Salvos Rhoska
#29 - 2016-11-24 15:31:11 UTC
Perhaps its an oversight.

Perhaps they intend to sell UI themes somewhere down the line.

Perhaps you can mess around with your monitor and or gfx card game profile settings to make the UI more viisible to you?

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Dyllan Ybrex
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2016-11-24 21:16:53 UTC
Kiera Nai wrote:
Dyllan Ybrex wrote:


I imagine they are trying to incentivize people to Omega up, the problem is they are new to the f2p game, and haven't taken all cases into account on certain incentives, like UI and various color based vision problems, for instance.

I hope they take it seriously, as it is the case that the devil is in the details.


Trying to incentivize it? Because not being able to use the majority of the items available in the game isn't incentive enough. :P


I would think so, but then every corporation has its own culture bubble that deviates from the norm of common sense. Which is where you get weird things like this.

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Krima Sumyungi
Makavi Industries
#31 - 2016-11-25 01:57:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Krima Sumyungi
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Krima Sumyungi wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/c/color_blindness/stats-country.htm

Just under 4000 color-blind people in the whole country.
Not really a wonder they don't take them in to account when making decisions.

I doubt it's maliciousness, just a matter of awareness.

--Gadget

That shows 3.5 million people just in the U.S. alone have color blindness. If they only did business in Iceland, then maybe they'd have the excuse "they didn't know". But they do business in multiple countries across the globe. To claim they don't know is to basically claim they're incompetent.



They're a bunch of *IT mooks and code monkeys with a storyteller and a few artists thrown in, not savvy corporate ambassadors of world spanning conglomerates. They may have access to an economist or two, but which employee or consultant is the global social scientist? Unless that happens to be some employee's random undergrad, I doubt they have one on tap.

Incompetent isn't the correct word, inexperienced would be.
And that's fine. They can learn... or sub to Omega Business People once they have enough ISK to PLEX. Smile

--Gadget


*Said with all the respect for those in the industry. Thanks for doing what I don't enjoy.


13 1/2 years since the game's release. 13 1/2 years doing business globally in the gaming business does not allow them the benefit of the doubt due to "inexperience". They've never heard of making games friendly for colorblind individuals in 13 1/2 years? Have they never played any other mmo than their own in 13 1/2 years? Have they never talked to any other mmo developers other than themselves in 13 1/2 years? Have they never read a mmo gaming forum or website outside of their own in 13 1/2 years? Because that's the only way they've never ran into the fact colorblindness is an issue other mmo developers started caring about and developing tools for a long time ago.
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#32 - 2016-11-25 10:55:16 UTC
I would like to ask a probably related question. It seems that not only the UI but also the space itself changed colors. Instead of a blueisch hue now all space and ships I saw in Lonetrek look slightly greenish.
Salvos Rhoska
#33 - 2016-11-25 12:45:52 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
I would like to ask a probably related question. It seems that not only the UI but also the space itself changed colors. Instead of a blueisch hue now all space and ships I saw in Lonetrek look slightly greenish.


http://imgur.com/NdLDTVL

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Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#34 - 2016-11-25 12:57:53 UTC
Thanks for the link. It doesn't look like this anymore. As I said it has a greenish hue like verge vendor for example. Also my screen is not broken because in the small spaceship icons Caldari ships still have a blue beckground.

weird
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-11-25 15:00:19 UTC
Krima Sumyungi wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Krima Sumyungi wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/c/color_blindness/stats-country.htm

Just under 4000 color-blind people in the whole country.
Not really a wonder they don't take them in to account when making decisions.

I doubt it's maliciousness, just a matter of awareness.

--Gadget

That shows 3.5 million people just in the U.S. alone have color blindness. If they only did business in Iceland, then maybe they'd have the excuse "they didn't know". But they do business in multiple countries across the globe. To claim they don't know is to basically claim they're incompetent.



They're a bunch of *IT mooks and code monkeys with a storyteller and a few artists thrown in, not savvy corporate ambassadors of world spanning conglomerates. They may have access to an economist or two, but which employee or consultant is the global social scientist? Unless that happens to be some employee's random undergrad, I doubt they have one on tap.

Incompetent isn't the correct word, inexperienced would be.
And that's fine. They can learn... or sub to Omega Business People once they have enough ISK to PLEX. Smile

--Gadget


*Said with all the respect for those in the industry. Thanks for doing what I don't enjoy.


13 1/2 years since the game's release. 13 1/2 years doing business globally in the gaming business does not allow them the benefit of the doubt due to "inexperience". They've never heard of making games friendly for colorblind individuals in 13 1/2 years? Have they never played any other mmo than their own in 13 1/2 years? Have they never talked to any other mmo developers other than themselves in 13 1/2 years? Have they never read a mmo gaming forum or website outside of their own in 13 1/2 years? Because that's the only way they've never ran into the fact colorblindness is an issue other mmo developers started caring about and developing tools for a long time ago.

For some reason i feel that this 'inexperience' if a trademark of CCP. They for years do the same thing: never look back, never look around, always 'experimenting' and blindly boldly stepping into fails....

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Brunn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2017-01-31 12:53:09 UTC
This really needs to be addressed.
Having an UI color scheme that make your eyes tired only makes you to want to stop playing.
Not sure if this is what CCP intends with the alpha accounts, but if its this, then they are having a huge success.
Tamazaki
Doomheim
#37 - 2017-01-31 13:41:12 UTC
Coming soon, UI skins only 1000 AUR!
Josef Djugashvilis
#38 - 2017-01-31 14:07:00 UTC
I am not a great fan of the whole Alpha thing (free-loaders), but to restrict the colours seems a bit mean and pointless.

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Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2017-01-31 16:31:33 UTC
mkint wrote:
I strongly suspect the UI alone helps wreck the game's retention rates.


As a brand new Alpha who tried to recruit a few nolife buddies into EvE... I have to say your suspicion is my conviction. Yet, I got to really like the UI, but it took me about a week of actively looking into how to set it up the way I wanted it to be.

The limitations already feel really severe for someone who's used to the F2P market of these days, but it all makes sense once you starting to have a grasp on how things work around here. Or I should say it all made sense before I learned that UI colors are an Omega feature.

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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2017-02-01 03:33:37 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Thanks for the link. It doesn't look like this anymore. As I said it has a greenish hue like verge vendor for example. Also my screen is not broken because in the small spaceship icons Caldari ships still have a blue beckground.

weird


maybe there was an incursion when you noticed it. i believe that may change ambient light. i havent seen an incursion in a while so maybe im just imaginaing it.
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