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INCURSIONS - NERF SUPPORTED BY CCP AND VEILED AS A USER-COMMITTED EVENT

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xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-01-19 02:29:38 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
The majority of alliances have less than 300-400 people? vOv


C'mon gooney answer the question.

as for 300 - 400

150 alliance have more than 300 members

that was half way down of page 2 of 25 (

vOv MAJORTY
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#82 - 2012-01-19 02:33:51 UTC
Juliana Stinger wrote:
"621 billion ISK is paid out by CONCORD every week from Incursions" impressive amount of isk they are making.



Is that amount even 1/10 the amount of passive MOON GOO equvalent in ISK? The amount quoted looks suspicius anywayz lol... Griefers lieing to make thier arsehat opinions validated in thier backwards minds. Lieing liar that pull statistics from where the sun don't shine IMHO...
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-01-19 02:38:51 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
C'mon gooney answer the question.

"dangerous"? Any fleet fight is "dangerous". I lose anywhere between 2 and 10 maelstroms every month we're in a war.

xxanjoahir wrote:
as for 300 - 400

150 alliance have more than 300 members

that was half way down of page 2 of 25 (

vOv MAJORTY

How many of those are hisec alliances, made just for the sake of saying "yeah baby, I have an alliance"?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#84 - 2012-01-19 03:01:51 UTC
jonnus ursidae wrote:
I've never run an Incursion but I hear the rewards are ridiculous, good on whoever is stopping that.. Darius III wasn't he a Goon?

I've never collected moon goo but I hear the rewards are ridiculous, good on whoever is stopping that... wait that'd be nobody.


Got to like the pot calling the kettle black, huh? Waaaa You are almost making a tenth off HI SEC in a fun group effort than we're making in NULL SEC passively NERF NERF NERF

WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IS kRISANDRA IS TRICKING PEOPLE INTO ASSAULT & MOM FLEETS THEN GREIFING THEM BY SPREADING BLACKBIRDS & WARPING OUT OF SITE jOIN kRISSANDRAS FLEET & DIE AT YOUR OWN RISK i GUESS
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2012-01-19 03:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: xxanjoahir
Lord Zim wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
C'mon gooney answer the question.

"dangerous"? Any fleet fight is "dangerous". I lose anywhere between 2 and 10 maelstroms every month we're in a war.

xxanjoahir wrote:
as for 300 - 400

150 alliance have more than 300 members

that was half way down of page 2 of 25 (

vOv MAJORTY

How many of those are hisec alliances, made just for the sake of saying "yeah baby, I have an alliance"?


so what you are saying is your alliance in a good month can spend 60bil on ship replacement programme for your alliance qualified setup Maelstroms...

what is so much more dangerous about that compared to someone who is running high sec VG incursions ?

I tell you for a start that the 2.5bil for the pimped up mach is my own isk so if i loose it im going to have to start again... my isk will run out one day.... i dont see moons dissappearing anytime soon.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2012-01-19 03:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
risk to hisec incursion runners: the risk of not bringing enough logi but running the fleet anyway
xxanjoahir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2012-01-19 03:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: xxanjoahir
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
risk to incursion runners: the risk of not bringing enough logi but running the fleet anyway


And logi being jammed or not capped or dc-ing or primaried.....

11 in fleet could so quickly turn to 4 - 2.5bil ships being popped. (for the 100mph+ fleets that everyone is moaning about)
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#88 - 2012-01-19 03:34:55 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
[(by the way 100m is way over estimate, those fleets are the shiny pimped up mach nightmare fleets, traditional fleets make approx 60m which is about on par with null ratting)


Actually the estimate is a fair average. SF's make 150mil/ph and even higher on a good day.


Bolded the important bit.


On a good day is over 150 million. In an ISN fleet I've never made less than 150ph

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2012-01-19 04:11:17 UTC
xxanjoahir wrote:
so what you are saying is your alliance in a good month can spend 60bil on ship replacement programme for your alliance qualified setup Maelstroms...

Just how few ships do you really think we lose every month during war?

xxanjoahir wrote:
what is so much more dangerous about that compared to someone who is running high sec VG incursions?

I will lose those ships + pods every month. It's not even a risk, it's a certainty.

xxanjoahir wrote:
I tell you for a start that the 2.5bil for the pimped up mach is my own isk so if i loose it im going to have to start again... my isk will run out one day....

Uh huh. I'm sure you 1) MUST have that "pimped up mach", 2) will lose that every month, 3) certainly won't be making a profit.

xxanjoahir wrote:
i dont see moons dissappearing anytime soon.

Do you have any idea what kind of costs there is associated with running an alliance in nullsec? Do you have any idea how much of the moon-derived isk is fed directly to the common goon?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2012-01-19 04:25:07 UTC
I skipped through the postings, but the following already annoyed me when it was ingame news ( sorry if it was already brought up):

621 billion per week. That's 88.7b per day or 3.7b per hour. At a modest 30m ISK / hour that is the equivalent of around 120 Level 4 mission runners IN THE ENTIRE CLUSTER.
Motsu alone has more traffic on a good day, and had for years. How can that be breaking anything?
Spineker
#91 - 2012-01-19 04:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
There was never 120 mission runners in Motsu ever. I ran out of there for over a year.


Half of Motsu was faction pilots and ninjas.
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2012-01-19 04:32:54 UTC
Spineker wrote:
There was never 120 mission runners in Motsu ever. I ran out of there for over a year.


Half of Motsu was faction pilots and ninjas.

Ok, so your point is that Motsu was a bad example, or that there are less than 120 mission runners active in the entire highsec at any one time?
ShipToaster
#93 - 2012-01-19 04:41:27 UTC
Mioelnir wrote:
I skipped through the postings, but the following already annoyed me when it was ingame news ( sorry if it was already brought up):

621 billion per week. That's 88.7b per day or 3.7b per hour. At a modest 30m ISK / hour that is the equivalent of around 120 Level 4 mission runners IN THE ENTIRE CLUSTER.
Motsu alone has more traffic on a good day, and had for years. How can that be breaking anything?


The 621 billion a week is not really a good estimate.

I gave a conservative estimate of 3000 billion a week on page 4 but even that is probably low.

.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#94 - 2012-01-19 04:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Nerfing drake=good

Fixing vans=good

Whats the whine all about?

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#95 - 2012-01-19 05:28:01 UTC
Want to cut down on isk farming in incursions?

Bring back the first hardcore Incursion implimentations that were promised.

Complete with NPC bubbles and Z0mg I need a 200 man fleet with caps to stay alive for longer than 10 seconds scenarios.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Krissada
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#96 - 2012-01-19 08:40:41 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:


WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IS kRISANDRA IS TRICKING PEOPLE INTO ASSAULT & MOM FLEETS THEN GREIFING THEM BY SPREADING BLACKBIRDS & WARPING OUT OF SITE jOIN kRISSANDRAS FLEET & DIE AT YOUR OWN RISK i GUESS


Oy you bastard. We have never suicided a mom fleet with our own folks in it. How the hell did you think we even took down the first one in the first place? We suicided our fleet into it and then it magically disappeared?
Get a bit of logic into that caps-lock cruise controlled mind of yours.

I will bath in your tears this friday when we kill all your beloved incursions.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#97 - 2012-01-19 08:44:57 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Xpaulusx wrote:
Nerf Tech Moons....now that would produce a tital wave of tears on the forums, although they should be evenly distrubuted threw out null i believe. Not nerfed.


My understanding is that nerfing the demand for technetium (ideally by altering the production requirements of some T2 items so less producers needed it) would transfer the bottleneck down to the next most valuable material, making Neodymium the new supermoon.

Neo moons are much more equally distributed through space than Tech is.



well IMHO start having MOON goo get pooped out of drones like minerals are well then... there's a even better non passive form of having the non Isk fountain being distributed :)
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Alicia Fermi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-01-19 08:53:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Alicia Fermi
People should remember that the time a player spends trying to get incursion rewards is time that they are not collecting mission and/or rat bounties. So the ISK input into the economy needs to be seen relative to what people would otherwise be doing. Incursion winners inject ISK but all ratters and mission runners who are now running incursions are no longer injecting ISK that way. Frankly, that analysis is nigh-on impossible without having CCP's access to the data.

It would also be interesting to see if increased ISK from incursions has any correlation with the amount of ISK risked in PVP. Again, you would need to be in CCP's position to do the analysis.

Nevertheless, an honest appraisal is a little more complicated than a back of the envelope calculation.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#99 - 2012-01-19 08:54:18 UTC
Krissada wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:


WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IS kRISANDRA IS TRICKING PEOPLE INTO ASSAULT & MOM FLEETS THEN GREIFING THEM BY SPREADING BLACKBIRDS & WARPING OUT OF SITE jOIN kRISSANDRAS FLEET & DIE AT YOUR OWN RISK i GUESS


Oy you bastard. We have never suicided a mom fleet with our own folks in it. How the hell did you think we even took down the first one in the first place? We suicided our fleet into it and then it magically disappeared?
Get a bit of logic into that caps-lock cruise controlled mind of yours.

I will bath in your tears this friday when we kill all your beloved incursions.



lol I see you advertising fake MOMs all the time in local then turning around making them assult fleets & stranding/griefing them... LIES you telllllll lies & anyone that follows your foolishness will soon learn your ways lead to ship death lol. Go ahead join the fleets of the doomed I guess if you want to ! You only prove there is actual RISK in Incursions unlike the BS arguements that they are riskless.

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#100 - 2012-01-19 09:18:37 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
Caellach Marellus wrote:
xxanjoahir wrote:
[(by the way 100m is way over estimate, those fleets are the shiny pimped up mach nightmare fleets, traditional fleets make approx 60m which is about on par with null ratting)


Actually the estimate is a fair average. SF's make 150mil/ph and even higher on a good day.


Bolded the important bit.


On a good day is over 150 million. In an ISN fleet I've never made less than 150ph


Never huh? Yawn I once caught a fish this >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------< nig the next day it was this >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------< big Yawn lies & liars that telll lies.. here lets hear you reply with another BS statistic you pull outta an arse hat you wear on you're head.. like U average 1.5 billion Isk a week in incursions by doing scouts alone with BOTs lol .. truth is in Incursions the only sites bottable are scouts & thank god they are not worth it yet
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'