EVE General Discussion

You new players have it good compared to 10 years ago. When I started playing, there wasn't any sort of tutorial. The game through me into the fray with nothing more than the rookie ship (now called corvettes). There was no direction, no hints as to what to do. I got all of my help from joining player corps; albeit they were mostly mining corps.

Eve Online has been the only mmo I've been able to stick with long term and I thank CCP for that. Sure, I've had my breaks, but this game always calls me back. IMO, CCP should encourage new players to join a player corp from the beginning. Being taught by a human is better than a guided tutorial.

As others have mentioned, EO is not for everyone; but, I believe everyone should give the game a fair chance. Eve won't hold your hand; it requires critical thinking, patience and aptitude. I encourage all new pilots to find and join a new player Corp ASAP!

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I always wonder how I managed back then in the tutorials. But all I really remember is, that I had a blast with all these loads of exciting new stuff and information.

What CCP fails to communicate in the beginning is, that players are required to commit themselves from the start to get into EVE. This is not a game that you play leisurely when you start out.

There's such a huge amount of details to memorize and game mechanics to learn right from the start, the only effective way to do this is read, read, read... I tried looking videos but stopped doing it unless there was no other comparable source of information available. It's just too time consuming.

I fully expect this kind of stuff to be what'll finally kill EVE when the time comes. The UI is terrible (default settings seeming to deliberately obfuscate the *necessary* information to function in any way.) The tutorials have always been pretty terrible (if the UI wasn't so terrible, the tutorials could be way less intensive.) The devs like to brag about the "learning cliff" except they really really shouldn't. They should be embarrassed, mortified by it. It means they failed at the basic concept of "relating to human beings."

I'm glad EVE weeds out the scrubs like this. I'm glad the OP uninstalled. EVE is less saturated with losers as a result.


This thread made me lol.

That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Any kind of game, movie, show, book, song, etc, that actively resents its audience is destined to fail, period. You. You are what's wrong with EVE. You are why people say the community in EVE is toxic. You're not some elite badass because you play a f*kin video game. You are not some special snowflake.

What made EVE special, what made EVE grow, is that it's a place where you can feel like the hero of your own story. It's a place where you can have an authentic experience, while more and more in life is cheap and plastic. The devs never really understood that. Your TCU count doesn't drop because people are having rewarding experiences. Meaningful reward is a balance of the fun:suck ratio. Yes, there has to be some sucky difficulty, some challenge to overcome, but when that challenge is "this game actively hates you," and the fun is a cheap plastic fun, the users will not stick around. The challenge in EVE should never be "the software sucks." The challenge should be pitting yourself against other players and occasionally coming out victorious.

Not even close. This game quite specifically avoids trying to make you feel like a hero of anything. What makes it grow is the social and sociopolitical dynamics to it, and the uniqueness of the game as a whole.

Actually one of the biggest problems in this game were CCPs greed and the CSM

CCP Got very greedy in 2010 and after that they listened to the CSM, by which time the CSM 6 had become the play thing of the Null sec alliances and so even though 85% of the game played in High sec, CCP were taking the perspective mostly of Null players.

While the CSM has had some shining spots. The mining changes put through by Issler and the wonderful post by Two Step where he came out condemning CCP.

Seriously the CSM was designed as an internal affairs body when CCP did not have one. Instead they used it as a rubber stamp for the game so they could ignore the player base an it has cost them.

Ugh. Walls and walls of text.

All I can say, is that I find it peculiar for someone with such a know-it-all attitude to know so little.

You're going through the motions of the tutorial without actually absorbing any of the information therein. You get multiple free ships but rather than being grateful and eagerly figuring out how to assemble them, you whine.

Nope. Your attitude stinks; and quite frankly, you don't deserve the tutorial nor the ships. We are here to answer any questions you may have, but you're not asking any. You just complain pages on end. Not even the courtesy of properly formatting or condensing your wordvomit.

We all know the tutorial has shortcomings; but the community as a whole has been going out of its way to be helpful to all the alphas out there. Ask a decent question if you want a decent answer. And drop the attitude kid. It is unbecoming.

EvE is a long playing game, many layers deep, with an extensive list of things to figure out, things you have to know, and things you'll get wrong the first time. So go figure them out! Start getting things wrong. Learn. And if Bob smiles on you, you might just make it and #gitgud one day. But that day, is obviously not today.

Have a nice day.

Strawmanning me doesn't fix anything, actually. But your intellectual dishonesty has been noted.

I have already encouraged more people to sub just this week than you probably have in your entire time playing this game. So tell me again how I'm causing harm to the game, please. I love a good chuckle.

See, this happens if people don't get ganked!

To those people who send 5mil ISK to new players: better invest them in a Catalyst and shoot them out of the sky to make the game more interesting.