Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Again Eve is all about balance and counters. A cyno is instant where nothing else in eve is instant, not even jumping thru a gate is instant. So why does the cyno still remain instant? The cyno needs to be giving a timer, even if its just a 5 sec timer. In a game of balance and counters there is no counter to a cyno hotdrop. There is no time for a reaction, which makes it unbalanced. You can't even lock the cyno ship and destroy it before a cyno is up. My proposal is to add some sort of timer to a cyno, from the time it is activated to the time it actually sends the signal to the awaiting ships. I think covert cyno 5 secs and regular cyno 10 secs is a good starting point.

There's also regular cyno inhibitors, those protect entire systems from regular cynos, but not covert cynos.

Also, post with your main.

This is my main forum posting toon. Why do all other mods that have something to do with a cyno, including the cyno inhibitor have a timer to make it work? Why should a cyno be instant? You guys do no want a challenge or equal odds fights. There is no challenge in hotdropping a 10 man cap fleet with a 60 man cap fleet. Its like a basketball game, the other team have 5 players and you bring 30 players and put on the court at the same time. You could literally put 6 of your players on each one of theirs. Then you say stop whining and just play, we are just better than you. You are so afraid to lose that you will only play with the odds stacked in your favor and then don't want any rules changed that might unstack or god forbid even the odds. You already have 10 times the personal, then still want the rules in your favor. You guys play the game on easy, then brag about how good you are. You are the ones that have no balls. One of my friends would play the playstation, buy one of those adventure games, say Resident Evil. Put the settings to easy, beat the game in a few days then brag about how he beat the game in 3 days. Or how about my nephew would play me in madden, but go and raise all of his players stats to 99. Then have to nerve to brag about beating someone. I do not mind losing, but damn give me a straight up fade, don't bring 50 of your friends, jump me from out the bushes, then brag about how you beat my ass.

...Why do you think only the big groups benefit from cynos? Who do you think hotdrops our ratters, jump freighters and cyno beacons?

Hell. Last year there was a guy in mordus angels, a 1500 man group, who killed cfc/imperium (a ~30k man group) jump freighters almost every single day.

By hotdropping them.

You'd nerf one of the best tools a smaller group has to hurt a bigger group with a change like this. I don't think that's a good idea.

Eve Online

Fair fights

Pick one...


Alternatively, if in Eve Online, you find yourself in a fair fight, you're either in a tournament, or you've done something horribly wrong.

every fight in eve is a fair fight and they all started the first time you logged in

And with this statement you proof that you never read the descripton of the Mobile cyno inhibitor. 2 min activation timer is no real counter.

When a cyno goes up and you get blobbed mostly of all times after 2 min´s the fight is over for about 1.5 min.

So i will put a 60 Million (Jita buy) module up which have a range of 200 km and have to wait 2 min until i can start charging in. This could be realistiv in smallscale battles. Every fight (with more than 20 dudes on each side) would pop it in notime (170k ehp). Or the cyno just warps to a ping (takes about 20-30 sec).

And for all that you can´t scoope it back. Yes and because this module is so good balanced it is used so often. Wait oh no it´s almost useless.


The problem of the cyno is not that it´s instant, the problem is that 1 ship could cyno in a 255 man super fleet in 1-10 sec. What´s your aproach for balancing that !


That´s the broken part !

I know that it´s not that easy to get a 255 man Super/titan fleet. No cyno´s were there (before capitals could take gates) to move capitals. The broken thin (in my opinion) is that they can stay safe until the fc needs them. The don´t have to do anything in the battle and can be ongrid in less then 5 sec. And this in a game where most things take time. If you travel via gates the same route i could take you up to 1 h.

Super/titan fleet are the current i win button (if large enough). They could be beaten isk wise with many counterdreads or surprise a larger superfleet.

I don´t say the should not be powerful but at least the user should commit to the fight (bringing in the supers before for warping) or cyno them in slow. The bigger party would still win but the effort is then bigger than now and takes travel time (like e.g. Battleship´s after the warps speed change).

To your arguments:

- The one ship could also change the whole battle but he could not send the whole superfleet in at once he warp on a safe and they jump in there. The difference would be the time needed.

- I want to improve the machanik to an more balanced thing. If you don´t want it play in HS/LS/WH is a bad argument, everybody cried about fozzy sov and now many people realize that it actually works better than last sov (in my opinon).

- The effort for supers/titans are the same as for normal fleet but some points are more relevant:

Ping --> form fleet --> warp to a meeting point (mostly keepstar/Fortizar) --> wait on call.

When your fleetmembers don´t attend to orders thats no reason for not changing a game mechanics.

Hope you try to see the things from a different view or at least try. I would also try to understand your position but please in a neutral view not a "I´m in the biggest superblob and want to keep my easy kills" view.

still for the idea

+1

Please point out on the doll where the evil PL cyno touched you