EVE General Discussion

Any one else sick of just being a glorified drone of the FC in large fleet fights?
Follow the leader, "shoot target blehbleh". "Secondary BlehBleh". "Don't go off anchor BLEH BLEH BLEH". "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING IN MY FLEET WITH THAT SHIP"

And my favorite "BROADCAST FOR REPS FASTER YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION ENOUGH" When the enemy are locking and alpha'ing our ships off field in under 3 server ticks.

Fix this crap CCP before all these new alphas realize just how crap fleet fights above 10v10 are. EVE is nothing like it's trailers.

What do you suggest? How is this something they can even fix?

IRL wars/battles have commanders, people who tell the grunts what to do.

Sounds like you need to join a new alliance if your fleet fights are that bad. Mine have been fun and non-stressful. Even in fleets of 10, you still have a FC. Those are the truly relaxing/fun fleets.

I couldn't help but read the blehs in Cartman's voice.

Please op, grow a brain, at least T1 one...

Seriously. If your alliance fleet doctrine does not suit you...you leave for a better one. Plain and simple. Just as you do not expect your government to crack down on your local grocery because that bitchy cashier told you off for cutting in line.

...or do you?

Kamil Woliński This game looks great on trailers but the actual gameplay is just so mind–numbingly tedious.
Like · Reply · 2 · 22 November at 19:16
Tony VanderHeyden
Tony VanderHeyden It's MS Excel with a graphics card requirement.
Like · Reply · 1 · 22 November at 22:18
James Robinson
James Robinson PVP in this game is not tedious at all. I've never been so nervous in a game during my first few trips through sov null. Or through an unknown wormhole.
Like · Reply · 22 November at 22:22
Kamil Woliński
Kamil Woliński But the combat mechanics are so disappointing. Doesn't feel like commanding a space ship at all. Look up Fractured Space if you want to see how space combat should look like.
Like · Reply · 22 November at 22:26 · Edited
James Walker
James Walker Fight in some of the wars I have been in an see what heart rate does lol
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 01:21
Kamil Woliński
Kamil Woliński But it's just zerg warfare with no soul. Target the ship your raidcaller tells you to, press once to enable all of your weapons, sit back and enjoy. Once you start taking damage enable the tanking device of your choice. Sure there may be some depth on the macroscale but the individual fights are incredibly bland and simple.
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 01:34 · Edited



this is the response on facebook to the current Eve trailer on there that pops up.
Nothing to do with me. Don't know these people.
But perfect example of how the real people CCP wants to play Eve or wants to get back playing view it. Defend it all you want. You know deep down I am right. I've burst your immersion bubble now. Next time you go on a big fleet you will see it. how your just a drone of your FC.

Apparently the Center for Advanced Studies does not fit your playstyle. I recommend changing to a different corp.

So how exactly do you propose CCP "fix" this?

that was my thought exactly

Second above, nullsec and sov is not everybody's cup of tea. But there are also a lot of groups out there, who put fun over efficiency and power. CCP is advertising faction warfare (as was posted) in the new NPE, which is a good thing. IMO nullsec can be a trap the same as highsec is. But as stated before, it's on you as an individual player to find out about and escape that trap. It's your decision which group you join, it's all player-made.

1) Try LS/WH small gang PvP instead, to retain your own intèrest in the game.Or raiding enemy space if your alliance allows it.
2l Develop your skills and apply for an FC position yourself, or organize your own sub-lfeet according to your vision.
3) I know nothing about large battles in Null. Its just an area of EVE ive not yet gotten around to, but I find it hard to beleive that even the largest battle would not benefit from more granular commands, command structure and specialisation han simply calling F1 targets and broacasting for reps.
4) Im a military officer in reserve, trained to lead/organize 30 men including in combat situations. I have led units in other PvP games, just never in EVE.
5) Ive read a lot about the situation of F1 monkeys in NS combat. I assume its just the most efficient way to lead a bunch of monkeys/drones cos its simple and almost idiot-proof.
6) Its hard and time consuming to train people to work as a group and succinctly follow even simple orders. Especially if you arent commanding the same un it composition with the same people, everytime.

I asked you to elaborate on what you think would improve the situation you are concerned with.
Ive never been there, so the only two options I can think of, is increasing TTK across the board so as to open more tactical options for FCs/fleets, or making balance more rock/scissor/paper. Both have significant negatives though, especially the latter.

My recommendation to you, is try to figure out a a smallish but effective fleet composition, that has some useful function, and motivate people to fly with you. Set specific goals and work to achieve them with your fleet. Assert your vision of how that fleet should operate as different to simple F1 monkeying, by how you lead it., and so the same guys learn your model. Test and develop that model iin action, whilst simultaneously training your fleet regulars. Once you have that setup, you can assign subcommanders from amongst your regulars to more effectively apply dps/repairs/boosts to their sub units.