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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1 - 2016-11-23 16:25:49 UTC
It is my opinion that, given the recent escalation of Drifter activity, and their past aggression against K-Space entities, Drifters now represent a clear and present danger to The State and to all of Humanity.

For this reason I have withdrawn from the Faction Wars, where I was serving with Templis, and joined with Morwen Lagann in Tyrathlion Interstellar so that I can better focus my attention on this conflict. Serving with Morwen will allow me to preserve my loyalties to Kaalakiota Corporation as well as fly with both ARC and SERAPH, thus maximising my opportunities to kick Drifter butt.

I will be passing Tactical information back to The State and sharing Drifter Salvage with Kaalakiota Corporation to maximise the State's research efforts against the Drifter Threat.

My former-Kirjuunen in Templis will, of course, continue to pursue the Faction Wars with their usual professionalism and enthusiasm.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#2 - 2016-11-23 16:33:28 UTC
Awesome. I look forward to your continued presence in fleets and your prompt return of Curse-class Recon Cruisers.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2016-11-23 16:34:56 UTC
Alizabeth Vea wrote:
Awesome. I look forward to your continued presence in fleets and your prompt return of Curse-class Recon Cruisers.


I'd just worn a comfy butt-groove in on that Curse. Hurt to give it back.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-11-23 16:38:16 UTC
Actually, we're going to rename it to TES Pieter's Clutch. Maybe I can make the time for a renaming ceremony before or after our next op. Eventually, maybe all of SERAPH's fleet will be named something interesting about our pilots.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2016-11-23 16:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
I'd say 'welcome to the fight,' Tuulinen-haan, but you've already joined us!

Oh, and as a small but entertaining detail; while ARC exists as an alliance for CONCORD's purposes, it's mostly to preserve trademark. The organization is actually more of a coalition, of which Tyrathlion Interstellar is a founding component. Indeed, Lady Tyrathlion just happens to be one of our senior coordinators.

In any case, I look forward to seeing you in fleets!

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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2016-11-23 17:08:04 UTC
It's been really good to have you with us, Pieter. Will you and Des be settling in the Kingdom for now?

(I apologize if that's an ignorant question; I'm a little fuzzy on how involved with Khanid space Tyrathlion Interstellar and Lady Tyrathlion personally actually are.)
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2016-11-23 18:15:24 UTC
We'll be resident in the State. I may have to sleep at the Citadel from time to time, pursuant to my duties with Tyrathlion. Part of the reason for the move is to take a position where the competing demands of my family and the Tuulinen Foundation are budgeted for. Morwen understands I have multiple demands on my time and this was part of my contract.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#8 - 2016-11-23 19:01:42 UTC
Well done, Mr. Tuu! Humanity needs every good soldier like you to fight against the Drifter menace.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#9 - 2016-11-23 21:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Aria Jenneth wrote:
It's been really good to have you with us, Pieter. Will you and Des be settling in the Kingdom for now?

(I apologize if that's an ignorant question; I'm a little fuzzy on how involved with Khanid space Tyrathlion Interstellar and Lady Tyrathlion personally actually are.)

It's not an ignorant question. I don't really broadcast a lot about what's going on with me and mine - largely because I don't really consider it anyone else's business most of the time - so I tend to expect questions every so often. I am more than happy to discuss it with you at some point, in detail even, if you are curious - but not in a public space such as this.

That said, for this specific case: while TYRIN has quite a number of facilities in the Kingdom (and elsewhere), and has for a long time, none of the pilots in TYRIN are expected or required to make use of them. They are available if needed as a convenience, but otherwise I am not going to bat an eye at someone not making use of them. That is a choice I leave to my pilots and I will respect their decisions in that regard as long as it is not placing unnecessary risk on them, myself, or the corporation as a whole.

In fact, I told Pieter explicitly that as far as I was concerned, his family outranks me for most intents and purposes, and that I will be trying to avoid putting him in a position where they do not come first. He will have full autonomy to decide if something will come first before them, and while I will be available to offer advice or suggestions, I'm not going to make those decisions for him.

He's a big boy. I'm more than happy to treat him as such.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2016-11-23 21:31:44 UTC
Family, obviously, comes first.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#11 - 2016-11-23 21:59:06 UTC
And as I consider the corporation less a company and more a large extended family of sorts - and usually treat it as such - you get the picture.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-11-24 04:48:06 UTC
Shame, Tuulinen-haan.

Gallente are pressing on all directions. Many systems are still occupied, and we need every hand to secure our space. And in these times you decide to leave the State to fight a threat, that unlike Federals remains just a phantom threat.

I consider such decision both alogical and unpatriotic.

Shame.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2016-11-24 05:24:18 UTC
I understand your feelings but disagree. No forward momentum is achievable in the war zone due to the bizarre rules of engagement. In addition the Drifters have proven themselves capable of hurting The State in a way the Federal Navy is not currently capable of.

Additionally I am a free Citizen. The freedom to choose my employment (subject to the terms of my contact) is my unassailable birthright, otherwise I am nothing but a slave.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#14 - 2016-11-24 09:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Caroline Grace
Having the freedom of choice is a fundamental right to every human being in New Eden supercluster, whether it is understood in each Empire's book of law, or not. That said, Drifter Menace is far more dangerous than any current conflict between any of the 4 known Empires. You can either fight for the humanity and have a home to come back to, or you fight for your isolated interests and the whole galaxy is burned down meanwhile, with you included. There are times when survival of your species is far more important than petty squabbles between Empires.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2016-11-24 10:25:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
1. Freedom is an inhuman ideal for criminals and other scum.
Those, who want freedom, shall grab a shuttle, leave their all posessions behind, travel to some planet with indigenous life, undress, and run around with wild animals like a wild animal.

There is no room for freedom-obsessed fanatics in the State.

2. While we despise freedom, the State provides the ability to make choices, gives a lot of opportunities and options. However, none of options and choices are identical and every choice you make, brings you consequences and makes you different.

For example, choosing to work for the common good (or your corporation) and others makes you a good citizen. Choosing to work for yourself makes you a bad citizen.
Making a weighted choice makes you a smart citizen. Making an alogical choice makes you a dumb citizen.
Fighting for the State among others makes you a loyal citizen. Abandoning a service for any reason makes you a deserting, disloyal citizen.
Choosing to work for a Megacorporation or any State-aligned corporation makes you a citizen. Making a choice to leave the State to work for yourself or independent contractors makes you a non-citizen. And it is widely considered as a very poor choice. Citizens fight for their places in corporations, and usually leaving into exile is very unwise. Especially when one joins a widely known terrorist organization, that staged a terror act against an ally of Caldari State during the coronation of their new ruler.

3. Oh, Drifters are capabe of quite a lot of things, but so do we.

For example, we can ram stations with supercarriers. We can genocide whole colonies. We can torture prisoners of war. We can put prisoners of war in explosive cans. We can bombard homeworlds of other nations from the orbit. We can violate treaties. We can attack capital ships on low planetary orbit to drop them on heads of peoples. We can occupy homeworlds of neighbors and oppress them, neglecting any diplomatic attempts of them to recover it.

Can we do all this? Yes, we can. But do we do this? No. Gallente do.

So, why would anyone fight against those, who can do some things that they don't practice? Especially when they can fight those, who actually practice bad things?..

Is it a fear? Is it a weakness? Or just naiviety? Maybe gallente influence?..

But in any way, the choice isn't mine. I have made mine years ago, and I stick to it, proving to myself over and over again, looking at what happens around me, that my choice was right. And so do you have the ability to make a choice, and it is only yours to make.

But there is no option to be a free Citizen. You can choose to either be free or be a Citizen.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-11-24 11:06:41 UTC
Wish I could do the same, sadly I am now no longer in a position to leave my people (nor do I desire to, even if I want to help with the Drifter problem).

I applaud the move, though.

Also, Kim, nobody cares what you think.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#17 - 2016-11-24 11:28:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Caroline Grace
The horrors of war between Empires are well known throughout the long history of conflict, but cannot be ultimately more important than saving your own species. As humanity, we must unite against the global threat; not to cherry pick which Empire is more important, or more deserving to be destroyed. We can solve that later.

In regards to the question of freedom, freedom is non negotiable. All human beings have this power the moment they're born, and they can, and will, use this power freely in any shape and form, as long as they don't interfere with other basic rights. The laws of any Empire cannot overwrite fundamental rights of a human being.

If you want to choose to be a Caldari citizen, to be stripped of all those rights, to fight for your State, to claim all others should act the same way you did; you can do all of that, that is your right and I will be the first one here to defend you. The moment, however, you impose those views on someone else without giving him or her any choice, well, then, my madame Marmalade, you can expect some heavy turret damage coming down to your bottoms, because we're not going to tolerate that.

I appreciate the irony of talking about imposing views on others, while talking about non negotiable freedoms. The thing is, as human beings, we need to start somewhere. We need to say Okay, this is where it all begins. This is where we hand over everyone a chance to choose and they can move on from there and do all the things.

I believe such start is the best for everyone involved; and the best start for humanity all around.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-11-24 11:50:46 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:

Also, Kim, nobody cares what you think.

If nobody cares what you think, it doesn't give you right to claim that about others, especially officers of Caldari State. In any way, your nihilistic and disruptive behavior has been recorded. So now, be so kind, to keep it shut, or maybe you want for even CONCORD to show you your place again?..

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-11-24 12:09:22 UTC
Caroline Grace wrote:
The horrors of war between Empires are well known throughout the long history of conflict, but cannot be ultimately more important than saving your own species. As humanity, we must unite against the global threat; not to cherry pick which Empire is more important, or more deserving to be destroyed. We can solve that later.

That was my point, but with slight correction. We all shall stand united and save humanity from being destroyed by entities like Federation and Republic. We are defending the civilization here, Ms. Grace. We as the Caldari State and Amarr Empire. If we fail, the civilizations will be destroyed, and humanity will sink into depravity, freedoms and democracies. Humans will degrade into animals and savages. The world as we know will cease to exist. And what is worse, if the world will submerge into freedom, no life or property will be safe from harm anymore.

Caroline Grace wrote:

In regards to the question of freedom, freedom is non negotiable.

It is neglectable and discardable.

Caroline Grace wrote:
The laws of any Empire cannot overwrite fundamental rights of a human being.

Thre is no such thing in existence as "fundamental rights of a human being".

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#20 - 2016-11-24 12:47:02 UTC
Diana, I'm going to ask plainly so there is no confusion.

Are you accusing Pieter of being disloyal to the State?

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

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