Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You try too hard to be smart and look even more stupid, the simple thing is that AFK cloaky camping is the last bastion of AFK play that CCP has not dealt with and they will. You can huff and buff and insult and cry and moan and whine, but at the end of the day they will do something about it.

This is hilarious as I was one of the early advocates of a player controlled intel system and moving away from local. I'm totally fine with the overall concept. Implementation will have lots of details and issues to be solved, but removing AFK cloaking while also removing local as a source of intel I'm fine with.

So your entire paragraph is just a strawman.

And you completely ignored my point. You wrote an entire paragraph arguing that you have basically adapted to the AFK cloaking situation which makes it....really a non-issue, or so you claim. But then you turn around and say, "Nope it is a terribly important issue."

I find the hubris of Dracvlad both humorous and annoying. I know I know very little about WHs and refrain from opining on them. Yes, I've moved through them yes. I have read about and talked to people who have lived in them. But I know that there is quite a bit I am probably missing. Yes, talking and writing and reading are wonderful, but sometimes you just have to do it to really get what is going on.

What is amusing is that the HTFU police on this thread accuse you of not knowing stuff, or not able to deal with it at a personal level, so when you say how you dealt with it and defeated some of them then there is not a problem, but I have also lost to AFK cloaky campers which I have detailed in this thread too.

Experience in the trenches does not mean you understand grand strategy or even tactics, having the ability to pick up on other peoples experiences and work out your own strategies and tactics is key to winning, when I started this game I dived into the forums, read Crime and Punishment, learnt all the dirty tricks, checked out bubble camps to see how to break through them after reading about people not being able to break through them, it is a joke to me that people seem to think that you cannot learn from listening to others and their rich experiences, yes of course applying what you know is key, WH space is not an issue and when I talk about it I am talking back to WH players who ignore the reality of cyno's and the instant drop and strategic impact from them. If I spend the time to compare to their reality then I am what, bad at Eve. Simply put when I gave the example of cyno's the best that Sonya could come out with is logging off and that takes some organisation if going after a Capital escalation fleet or going for an eviction. The sheer power that can come through a cyno can be so much greater than a WH eviction force, if you get dropped by PL, Goons or NCDOT.

I am glad that I annoy you Teckos, and your petty insults go right over my head, I will patiently explain it, the game has an issue, in so many areas the best way to deal with things is to just hunker down and let it pass, be it war decs in hisec or being AFK cloaky camped by the top alliances, however both are very destructive to player retention, the simple issue here is that I do not agree that people who log in and then go to work, sleep or do something else should have the right to interfere with active players with impunity. But I also do not want to see cloaks destroyed, because they help people who have to go away from their keyboard.

I have seen over the years that it has been made much easier to catch people ratting in 0.0 and yet so many losers continue to AFK cloaky camp and defend it as the only way to catch people and yet they do not realise that were they to stop AFK cloaky camping there would be so many more people in 0.0 and so much more willing to fight roaming gangs. The key thing is to find a way to hunt these AFK cloaky campers when they are AFK so people feel that they can do something.

I will continue to ram this down your puerile little throats and I will take joy in your annoyance.

You seem to love using the market retort in terms of AFK, but you are selling a product offering a service, you are in compettion to others in that market selling a product, what is an AFK cloaky camper selling? Simple, he is selling a reason for people to go and play another game or head back to hisec if they are outside of the main TZ of the alliance or corp. Ice mining is no longer AFK, at some point CCP will deal with this, I expect to see you and the others here cry over it, I know CCP will create an OA to supply local and you will have to shoot it if you don't like it, whine more when you cannot do it...

That was a whole lot of text to further prove you are completely clueless on how to live in wormhole space. One more time. How many fights have you been in in wormholes? Give me a direct answer, or stop talking about it.

The reality of cynos is if you are watching local chat in sov null, you will literally never die. I've lived in null, you haven't lived in wormholes. Why are you still talking about parts of the game you don't understand? Move into a C1 on your own for a few months. It's pretty easy. I can give you tips if you would like.



When on earth did I say for anyone to log off? I said to rat in groups of 10+ people in the same sites with logi, with PvP fit ships. At worst your earn isk, at best you get to kill hotdroppers. Don't put words in my mouth, kitten.

How bad do you have to be to lose to some one AFK?

If cloaking was broken, it would cause issues everywhere. Somhow it seems to only be issue where you rely on the free intel given by local. I don't hear anyone complain in highsec, lowsec or w-space. Somehow it seems that sovnull is the only place where "cloaking is broken"

Cloaking is broken everywhere.

But then some people could swear on the fact that entosis interceptors wasn't broken either. Neither was carrier hotswapping moduals in mid battle. Hell even repping concordicon suiciders keeping them alive in empire wasn't broken at one point too. My favourite was off grid DDs that whipped entire fleets using a cyno when titans were added. Lets just bring that s**t back cause you know, they weren't broken.

Edit: Totally forgot, best example right in front of me. Off grid fleet boosting. That **** was totally broken right? CCP decided to just rip the whole thing apart and redo it. Time to look at a 400 page long thread and ask if we should still fly invulnerable in space.

Well ...... I've lived in a wormhole several times, and while I wouldn't go as far as to call it 'broken', it sure is boring. I wonder why I even bother D-Scanning every waking second when there's never nothing on scan anyway -- right until 14 guys decloak right beside you.


I would offer these up for consideration:

* is it right and proper that you know, for a fact, that somebody's keeping eyes on you and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it? Counterplay where?

* if there is so much life in wormholes, how comes we had to abandon ours a couple of days ago because there was never, ever, any god darned thing to shoot? Anywhere? Not in our hole, not in the one nextdoor, not in the one after that; not the next day, not over the weekend. I'm not going to knock it just because I don't like it, but I certainly wouldn't want the rest of nullsec to feel that way. People say "just because you think you're alone in space doesn't mean there's nobody watching you" .... but I swear to Bob, I would (quite literally) have killed for one of those Wingspan guys to jump in me like they do on youtube. Instead, I got bored out of my skull! Definitely need more peeps in space yo. If having local means that people actually undock, then by all means keep it!

* I'm absolutely and totally against ISK printers -- as everyone should know by now. But would it perhaps be possible there is another way to address that issue, that would allow us to get rid of the AFK cloaker by adding counterplay to cloaks in general?

* is it just me, or does it not feel quite right to keep cloakers uncounterable in order to 'fix' one issue, thereby allowing other cloak-related issues to exist? For example, the cloaky hotdropper you know for a fact is there (because you saw him enter your system -- don't give me "because of local" crap). One would think the potential to teleport an entire fleet right on top of you at any time of its choosing is a big enough advantage to allow us poor gatecampers to hunt you down, no? Apparently no. The question is ... are we really convinced this is okay? Is there no room for doubt that maybe, after awhile, such encounters should be allowed to happen bothways?


I guess that all I'm saying here is that perhaps we should hear these guys out without shouting them down immediately. They're not entirely wrong you know?

One of the same alliances that kicked you out of the north mate!!!!