EVE General Discussion

So I'm a new player. After watching a few streams on twitch.tv one in particular, Excessive Profanity, I was inspired to give the game a try. I have always been a fan of the space ship science fiction fantasy. So I made an account and proceeded to the character selection. After a decent amount of time messing with all the options I picked something seemingly simple.

The current tutorial is ok, but all the places and events it chooses to send me are easily accessible by clicking on the quest and never learning exactly how to navigate the jump gates, the solar systems, the anything. It's auto navigated. Well that isnt teaching me anything, by presetting up nav points, waypoints and warping me there.
Near the end, after promoting me and offering me a new ship, the game introduces me to the biggest mechanic, death.
It takes my ship away, and sticks me at a station. Cool. I get it. However somewhere in that process i actually died twice? (thanks notifications menu, i think it was a bug) and never received any of the stuff I was informed about, a blueprint etc. Confusing and awkward. I eventually figured it out, received the blueprint for the ship they had so neatly and cinematically taken from me, and decided to focus on the Agent missions next. Let's not ignore the fact the ship they had offered, taken, and now offered as rebuildable, is now out of reach due to mining and ore requirements. Something I vaguely am aware of, mining. OK. So screw that ship, lets focus on the conitnuing tutorial (is that what they should be considered?) agent missions. I picked the industrial line of quests, hopefully they would guide me and put me on a learning path to getting that blueprint filled. Mind you only because of reddit and other outside sources i was aware to pay extra attention to locating and starting these Agent given missions. thanks game. It started easy enough. However quickly a few missions in I was confused, the UI offered no destination point and the quest giver offered no information to the completion of the quest.
OH later I realized, read details or w/e the option is called, revealed more text talking about what SORT of needed to be accomplished. To late though as I had already quit the quest thinking it might be bugged and need to be restarted...guess what there is no such thing, dont quit a quest. Thats a punishment, dont give up, dont quit, the lack of clarity is there to force you to figure the quest out. But i did. and i spend the next half hour googling how to find the quest again. how to find a Tutorial quest, again, in a different system, with little knowledge of how to navigate beyond the starter system, because thanks auto tutorial waypoint system, you never showed me anything..So I figured out how to navigate thru 9 jump points(thankfully highsec space) to basically another starter point, one that contained the SAME mission quest line but given by a diff starter npc. Awesome! I guess?..at least i didnt have to contact customer support as advised by most.
what i didnt realized what my "item hanger" was forever connected solely to the station i had left those items at. hence i left behind a few things i desired to have. 9 jump points behind me were items i wish to have. 9 jump points, a travel time that exemplified the joke about spending way to much time with eve online. This isnt funny, sort of, i have to turn around and go back, a process i was never taught, a trip that was unnecessary. Welp! learned that the hard way. Also just learned if i want to take it with me, I have to carry it in my cargo hold. Neat, except for many many uncalled for mechanics, more to be discussed...
K all is well I have a new home in a starter system rdy to continue the Agent quest line of Industry. I take a day to walk away and forget all the frustations of the game. (leaving stuff behind was a part of the new player experience, mostly it was boring and eye rolling).
Now I'm committed to read EVERYTHING and move on. mission 10/10 of industry. Basically collect the ore and minerals needed to make a small ship. SWEET! a reward to inspire my desire to play. The quest giver firmly states, he/she shall not explain where to find the materials needed the player shall discover said items for them self. Cool. old school but cool. At this point i am learning to become accustom to reading every menu every right click i can find..One material needed claims to only exist in a solar system with a security system of .4 or less. UH OH, i think. That is stuff of EVE legend, low sec space not even the worst of pvp and trouble producing areas of nightmares, but great, a risk to be taken.
Now let's go back. After initially playing through the opening quest on a few toons to see if the story was different, it isn't, I settled on this character. By the way 10 hours to delete a character? a character who only lived for 30 mins? WHAT? Excited and thrilled I drooled over the ship tree, the skillz to be learned, overall i was impressed with what lay ahead. Then I perused the Aurum store. Oh boy I'm a sucker for character cosmetic items. I buy a handful of stuff to make my fake toon look cooler (always a mistake) But my usual idea is, if i can get excited about the character I am looking at, imagining the possible story lines to create, I will usually play the game enough to get my money's worth. And I'm looking at it. Sweet!
(I am fully aware, even before downloading, that there is absolutely NO reason to ever visit Captain's Quarters and such absolutely NO reason to buy cosmetic captain items) You might guess where this is going. VERY VERY quickly I realize I have to keep these items in my inventory to use them...UH what? Next question do i have a limited space? Well my ship cargo does...and my ship can be blown up...So Item hanger it is. And then I jump 9 gate away to find a mission I can restart..and realize i just left my "Item Hanger" behind.

Well, that silly feeling. A new station a new home, and I cant even change the cosmetic items i puchased because I didnt bring them with. /facepalm. That's my fault i suppose, spending money, expecting something simple. All well.
the other thing I had left behind was my starter ship. Some where some how I had earned Venture mining vessal and was currently piloting it. But that means my other ship stayed way back where at the first station..great..time waste.
Lost of time wasting mistakes later I am now rdy for mission 10/10 industry. Basically locate and mine the materials needed to gain a new ship. Again cool this is starting to pay off. With my acutal notebook in hand i set off to collect the things i need. Most stuff is left at the item hanger "my home base"(?) and only my ore hanger is beginning to fill. After many many right click menus and doing my best to avoid outside help, google, the recruit chat tab etc. I discover said mineral/crafting item is only available in low sec space. Alright fair enough. A risk is a risk.
Several alt-tabing jump trips later i arrive in what should be a low sec system, should also contain asteroids of desire. Who knows cause something start shooting at me the moment i enter the first asteroid field. HOLD on let me navigate my menus, then we can do combat. Oh there you are mister soomething npc. Well guess what, after much time equiping a rail gun and finding the ammo etc, it runs out of ammo, my fault, should have bought more. never coulda guessed how much missing my gun would do. That's ok i can warp out. Never even get o see if the asteroid, unfamiliar to me, yet promising as it might be the right one, is that, the right one. So I find a station, it doesnt even have the ammo i need? it has a limited market? whatever buy some of these. Find a new asteroid field and try again. This time I decide to be cautious and warp to within 20km not 0km. Nope doesnt matter, this time the npc ship spots me right away as I am looking at different asteroids present and begins to fire on me. Now i have a moment to see and this npc is well outside of my range, as well as basically hitting for 1/4 my health. I try frantically to right click the menu and warp away. No im dead. I just lost all my cargo all the other minerals ive gained and i dont even feel like i had a chance. I didnt get to survey area properly i had no guide to what i was doing. I literally was making ship up on best poorly educated guess i could. This wasnt fun, i never felt interested, frankly i was tabbed into another interet browser the whole time. What is any of this. This whole game, the interface the actions the menus all feel as old as this game really is. It's clunkly, its awkward. Even the best part about flyin a ship, when zoomed it is laughably misrepresented and animated. There is no part of this game that made me feel like i was living in space.
The Interface the menus are all so small and tedious. It feels like im messing with a system built way before many of the implented ideas even existed. and truthfully they were. It's painful at best.
sadly there is no reason to watch my ship, to see my ship to view or track my ship. Its all menu's. Its "spreadseets" as many would describe. That is just..sad.
On top of that it occurred to me I can lose my cosmetic items. I can lose them permanently by simply having them with me....something that shouldnt even have to be in the first place. Nor can I share them with my Account of characters. Someting about contracting items....what?...cant even mail it? a pair of cosmetic pants I have to contract, and pickup but god forbid someone steal them or blow up my ship if they are in the cargo hanger...what? It's not even the money i care about, its the implemention of the system that makes me facepalm.
This game is old. It feels old, it feels outdated, it feels out played. I get the old school sentiment of how hard things used to be in games of this era and older, but taht doesnt mean they were good. The sound effects make me the sigh the most. the musically sound tracks are great but man this game is showing its age.

Sorry for ranting, sorry for ragging on the game. Thanks for the chance to play thank you to the veteran player who randomly gave me 5mil isk. Thanks for the ideas. Good luck to those who play and good luck to those who are starting.

i am not short tempered or impatient. I apperciate people like you offering to help learn the game, I acutally encountered many like yourself while playing.
Again, this game is old its a shame i didnt start playing way back before all the new tutorials and such. i probably would have enjoyed it.
Today, there are to many better products in the gaming industry, well presented and offered. Thank you though

Because my personal wallet tab blinked and told me. I then proceed to track down the name through the local and recruit chat tabs to thank him. Basically It took me a moment but i opened a personal chat with him to say thanks.
i never spent the isk but the benefit of knowing i could buy and try different weapons or purchase skill books was very convenient.

youre mistaken. I would play this game, years ago. It's not worth it now though. and sure you can have my item hanger, because there is nothing. so enjoy^^. also idk what GD is. Youre right it is a pity.

Note that nothing is lost if you only uninstaleld. The items and characters are permanent in game unless you actively destroy them.

The 10 hours waiting is to avoid mistakes and regrets. After all you can have 3 different characters at the same time.

You're right. It was a hard read.

Now for the benefit of any other newbro who might come here:

There might be something wrong with the new player experience but I don't think it's mentioned here. Hundreds of thousands of players managed to learn using the starmap and navigate the vast space of new eden. There are plenty options to navigate. E.g. you could look up your assets in the assets folder and then set a course to that station. You could look for your starting station in the starmap and set the destination there. You could navigate completely without waypoints by remembering which stargates you passed through. Also 9 jumps isn't too much of a hassle. I used to operate 8-9 jumps from Jita and sold at the market regularly.

Also I find it quite logical that my stuff remains where it is unless I take it with me. I remember looking for a home system in dotlan and taking several trips in a badger just to get all my stuff there. It felt like an accomplishment although I did not earn anything in the process. In fact I think I learned about "local banking" when entering an other station in my starting system as was required by the tutorial.

Finally I think you aren't done with the game. Otherwise you wouldn't post these walls of text and even return for comments.

Well... There are some valid concerns...
And there are some funny complaints like inability to 'mail stuff' to others. What you do it RL to send stuff to others? You don't open your browser and put a message. You actually pack the item and send it through delivery service. Why in the game it should be different?

Or having separate item hangars? What? In RL you don't need to move your stuff to access it from different location?

In some things EvE is very similar to RL unlike games about magic and dragons....

In short it's sad that you felt bad about EvE and left. My opinion is that you came too accustomed to 'modern games' where anything was given up to provide more fun and easier game to players. In this case EvE is not for you.
In my case back in 2009 i started the game without any expectations. Just took the game as it was. This might be funny that i was warping to gates pressing right-click on objects in space instead of using overview for months

Reset your mind, decide for yourself 'i CAN do it myself' and try again.

This game requires patience. It has a huge learning curve. The reward will be the most complex MMORPG you ever found with much more options than anything you played.

Its up to you to give up and go back to easy/boring MMORPGs or face this challenge and thank us later for staying.


And for the love of god.... Paragraphs!!!

That's a shame, but ultimately your choice. Having read what you wrote gives me the impression that you at least have thought it over.
Then why post this at all?