EVE New Citizens Q&A

So I just want to ***** and cry a little....

I just had my ship and clone destroyed in less than a minute while trying to do Relic and Data sites in nullsec. This guy in a Stratios scanned down the site I was in, warped in, and raped me.

What I don't get is how come I didn't get any early warning? I kept spamming d-scan, but his probes were never on there.

I had TWO warp core stabs on, but still couldn't warp out. What are the odds of him having a point that would overcome all that? I thought very few people fly with such strong points?


Now I have to fly all the way back to Jita.. All over again, to refit, all over again... Logistics. This is probably the biggest annoyance of EVE. People suggest to just buy a ton of these disposable ships in a hub close to where I do my exploring, and this would make the logistics easier. But if I buy my stuff there, that's expensive! Jita is cheap.... So again, Logistics, logistics, logistics!


I don't know about you, but I think the reason why EVE makes me feel like **** is because I know I cannot do anything to that piece of **** that spoiled my day. There is no way for me to find him, and even if I found him, there's no way in hell I would be able to kill him.

Sure, there are locator agents(which I do not have standing for) and even if I did, there's the question of time, and money that I would have to spend on revenge... And off course there's also the skill that would be required to find and kill him, which I also do not have.

So I get to "enjoy" flying 35 jumps back to Jita and refitting my ship, and then flying all the way back to that secluded chunk of nullsec, while that other player, gets to go about his day, exploring, scanning sites, and generally just enjoying himself. He'll probably message his corpmates, and boast about the kill he got today on a stupid noob...

Thinking about that, makes me feel like crap.


*Carebear tears extracted*

Well, the first thing you need to do is stop being upset. When a person is emotional, they are not thinking clearly. You are thinking about the problem not the solution.

First is rule #1 Don't fly what you can't afford to replace. It's rule #1 for a reason. So you can avoid being emotionally vested in your ship when it blows up. Afford isn't just a matter of isk. If the time it takes to replace a ship is unreasonable or inconvenient then #1 applies. You need to make ship replacement convenient wherever you decide to live.

Second, your a newbie. The first thing you have to understand about pvp is most people only attack if they believe they can win, so if someone attacks you, assume you're going to lose and gtfo.

Third, stratios could have previously probed the site, spamming dscan isn't a guarantee, it just helps. Bumping will also keep you stuck in place.

As said above.

Fourth, Buy in bulk. make a contract for someone to move all your stuff to your staging area. Be sure to set the collateral high or they will just take your stuff. Some corps operate 60 jumps from jita, it's all about being prepared.

Fifth, Learn your lesson and move on. Don't fret about what other people think. 2 years from now no one will remember this loss but you, and zkillboard. But everyone all newbies are cut some slack.

Okay... so... let's break this down.


A Stratios is a ship can can fit a Covert-Ops cloak.

The thing about cloaks in EVE is that there is no way detect them.

However... the tradeoff with using such a cloaking device is that...
- a cloaked ship cannot perform any action until after decloaking
- a ship that is decloaking has a 5 second targeting penalty (see: decloaking ships can't target you for 5 seconds)
- ships that can use a Cov-Ops cloaking device are generally pre-nerfed and unable to handle straight combat against a non-cloaking combat vessel (exceptions apply)


As for probes... there are some ways to scan down a person without bringing the probes close enough to be detected by D-scan.
It is hard and does require some specialized hardware... but it is possible.


Specialized hunters that are looking for explorers, such as yourself, will generally fit enough warp disruption capabilities to counter, at minimum, +2 warp strength.


For reference:

All ships have +1 warp strength by default.
Having 0 or less warp strength will disable your warp drive.

Warp Disruptors apply -1 warp strength.
Warp Scramblers apply -2 warp strength AND disable Microwarpdrives and Microjumpdrives.
Faction (see: VERY expensive) Warp Disruptors and Warp Scramblers apply -2 or more warp disruption strength.

There are no limits on how many Warp Disruptors and/or Warp Scramblers a ship can fit.
You can even fit both.


The game is a multi-faceted PvP game.

Industry, logistics, bases... they all factor in to what you do and how you do it.

This is why many of of us recommend you join up with other players... or even established players groups... as soon as possible. They can help you move things, perform tasks, or even defend yourself.


Moreover... you can always buy from Jita and move your stuff (either yourself or with the help of others) to a location you base out of.
This is a very common thing for people who want to base in a place far from Trade Hubs or the safety of High-sec.

It is not without risk though. Be careful when moving any amount of stuff through space as the value of the items may be worthwhile enough to attack.


Revenge is a dish best served cold.

Take names down now... build yourself up... gain allies.

This game is more about **process** than reactive "IMMA GONNA GETCHU BOI!!!"

I, myself, was scammed for a couple million ISK when I was a nubbin. It took a few years, but I eventually stumbled upon the guy who did it while on Teamspeak... which just so happened to belong to an alliance I was a part of... which happened to be owned by a corporation I was in... which I happened to be one of the directors of.

Needless to say, I allowed the guy to join the alliance and proceeded to make his stay with us rather... uncomfortable.


Being a hunter myself, the guy will more realistically be thinking, "ho hum... another under the belt" and then go about finding another person to blow up.

It is nothing personal. The guy wan't out to get YOU... you simply happened to be there and presented an inviting target. Nothing more.


What you can do is start a conversation with your killer. Find out how he found you and what things you can do stay safe. More often than not, you will be given a massive amount of advice.

Hell... if he likes you he may even recruit you to join him.

fitting new ships is actually not so bad if you save your fitting. If you have the items already it is literally one button click and a new ship is fit. If you don't have the items you can just buy the entire fit via multibuy.

Even if you forgot to save the fitting you can still save it directly from the lossmail (keep in mind that a few things might be missing if you do that).

I myself never fit up multiple ships of the same kind, i simply have common items i use ready and can fit ships on demand. Since moving items and packaged ships is MUCH easier than moving several fitted ships.

Why were in the site in the first place, when you could clearly see a neutral/presumed hostile person in local chat ? protip: warp out, safespot, cloak if able - if not, bounce between safespots every few seconds.

I know a couple of tricks around probing, but this one is new to me, mind sharing how to pull that off legally?

If you are good and put the effort in, you can probe someone down while having the probes below 14 AU for only the seconds of the actual scan run, but I don't know of a way to make that time zero and still get a 100% hit.

The problem is EVE is PVP and you were doing something a bot could be programmed to do. See latest 'content' patch where npc's mine, and defend themselves, better than most carebears.

you'll figure it out, welcome to eve! 😆

Thought I was the only one who noticed.

I'm rather the newb and no clue what all this scanning business is about, but I like where someone is making a million ISK a minute. I must learn more....