EVE General Discussion

I understand why EVE has a loyal community with players who have been playing it for more than 10 years. EVE is indeed a fantastic and complex game. I dont think STAR CITZEN will be the EVE killer. But I think once STAR CITZEN is released, NEW players will no longer be interested in testing EVE. The game will be suported only by the old players. That is why CCP needs to start investing more in immersion. To attract new players. And I'm sure CCP has a lot of interest in attracting new players, this new free-to-play model is the proof.

There is only EvE. EvE is mother. EvE is father. It seems your WOW-playing obsession has affected your judgement.

j/k...I agree with you.

Maybe was answered but i enjoy this topic anyway:

Pull up a chair kids and let uncle Reaper tell you a story.

Back in 2004 when i started, ccp had this little problem. they would show something cool they were working on, hype it all to hell, and it would either a) never get off the drawing board. or b) make it to the sever but be gutted.

typically CCP was in the search for, lack of a better term, shiney. they would deploy a jesus feature, promise to work on it, then let it fester and roit as they moved on tot he next big thing. This tended to happen a lot, so a ton of features kinda piled up, incomplete and or frustratingly broken. It created a cycle like this:

CCP: Hey guys for the next expansion we are going to this awesome shiney thing! Its coming in July of this year (this would be announce din say jan)
Players: WOW that looks awesome but we have a few questions...

two months later:

CCP: oh, we are not doing that that way, we had to make some changes, but its still really cool and coming in july!
Players: the changes look ok, but what happened to x?
weeks pass
Players: um hello ccp? what happened to x?
CCP: we had to cut it, but it will be worked on after release!

2 months before exoansion:

CCP: Ok here is what is coming in 2 months!
Players: wait.. what the hell? why did you gut 50% of it?
CCP: it was not going to work, so we will add to it later we will interate on thsi for years to come!

Month of expansion:

CCP: ok here is the final stuff coming!
Players: what the hell?!?1 you cut another 20%?
CCP: it was not going to work, so we will add to it later we will interate on thsi for years to come!

Expansion released, server is broken and unplayable for around a month as they attempt to fix it. In a few cases the server was dead for 2 days after the release.

Server now stable:

CCP: ok guys, here is whats coming in the next expasion!
Players: WAIT! X is still broken Y was cut.. when is that coming?
CCP: later, but for now.. NEW SHINEY! coming to you in March!

Cycle repeats.

This leads to 2007. CCP showed us a cool walking in station project, this time codenames Ambulation. (seriously look it up on youtube, it was rad as hell) But this was delayed. (people who way WiS took 18 months have no idea what they are talking about. It took nearly 5 years for WiS to come into being.

2008, first inkling of a Dust 514 and WoD games.

so now we come to 2010. Ambulation is dead, its now WiS. the game is severly broken, lots of functions don;t work or are a pain in the ass. Sov sucks. people are unhappy. Etc.

CCP being CCP drops WiS, which was not as promised. People get reustrated, but this is ccp so they will shrug it off... then comes...

WiS melts video cards. Some peple laugh it off, as good old ccp, boot.ini all over again. Then comes...

none micro transactions. The first new eden store has insane prices. people are annoyed but alright because its just cosmetics.

Then comes.. $75 pants and $200 monicles. The annoyance is growing.

Then comes: The game still not being fixed.. and broken.

Finally, the thing that set everyone off... the 'Greed is Good' memo leaks. A memo that essentually aid 'ccp is lying to you' Micro transactions are coming for everything, get ready for pay to win eve.

And all hell broke lose.

The issue with this whole thing. If any one of these came on there own, we would of adapted and moved on. The problem is, everything hit at once. withen about 1 months time. So there was no chance to squash or calm the masses. the game was broken, ccp was lying and wanted to milk us for all we worth. And when people tried to ask them to fix it.. we got "hey look Dust is coming! NEW SHINEY!"

WiS did not do it, it was the combination. But everyone tends to attribute WiS to the problem. it wasn't. It was a symptom of the issue, and that was ccp has lost there way. We have micro transactions and other things now and eve players are fine. parts of the game are still broken/unfinished *cough* PI *cough* and we are fine. It was the trifecta, WiS being **** and wasted dev time making crap that was not close to what was promised (normal CCP) while the game was broken still. Microtranactions that were not micro. and Greed is good. All these, is why the riots happened. any one and we would of been fine, but all three together... and you have a **** storm on your hands.

i disagree, Avatar gameplay could have a lot of uses in eve. but ti needs ot be done right, and not ****

I would love to dock up and take a much needed hot, soapy shower...

While there are a lot of valid points here for why people are against it, most people don't know the story behind WiS/Ambulation.
I remember them talking about their dreams for the game during it's beta phases, and having an avatar to move about inside stations was part of that. They wanted to 'wait' until it could be done 'right', of course we've heard them say this a lot, haven't we? WiS, while it was not an 18 month project was in fact, a 5 year project....where people seem to lose track of this is, is that those 5 years of work were scrapped after they came up with the game engine for the WoD game they had recently started working on. So yes, 5 years of work, scrapped in favor of attempting to remake all of that work, in 18 months, which is why they had to drop 'everything' else and only focused on WiS, and after all of that 'hard work' and nothing else getting attention they gave us one races room to walk around in, with no capabilities for decorating it, or doing anything you couldn't already do by sitting in your ship. That whole expansion was one giant FUBAR.

All that said, I would be willing to pay for an xpac where they finish what they promised. Eve is soon to be the only space MMO without avatars to walk around with in a meaningful way, as well as atmo flight and planet landing, both things they said would happen and never did.

Had they done WiS properly, then perhaps we could of had things like, ship boarding. Imagine...instead of blowing up someone's ship, you boarded it and took it over, adding an entirely new aspect of game play. I'm not really an FPS fan, but I think that would be fun and interesting. I know a lot of people don't like WiS, but I think it certainly could have added some depth, and for some people greater attachment to the game world. Just feels like a wasted opportunity.

Simply put, CCP couldn't be trusted to develop it... When captains quarters came out it melted GPUs and added practically nothing to the game... It was just using EVE as a test project for World of Darkness.

I talked about SC and not about new players in EVE and what they expect. EVE was never a game for everyone, not 13 years ago and not now. So why is suddenly everyone comparing to mainstream titles and wants to make it bland like the rest?

What I talked about are the people who hype and found SC and they are in fact perople who experienced WC and all those old games. They are people between 30-50 with a lot of money and not a lot of time. You don't get 200mil from a bunch of kids without job.

grr change

simply. because EVE is a spaceship game. If your not in spaceship your are not playing. EVE has a lot of problems unlimited budget and time to peruse fanciful daydreams are the least of them. once they have figured out how to make the big fleet fights more like the trailers and less like the little guy is just a drone of the fc then im all up for WIS.