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IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-01-19 02:20:33 UTC
I hear alot of people cite this as why PVP is sometimes a challenge to come by. So after much consideration I was wondering. What risk are we exactly averse to?

Being totally honest making ISK in EVE is not abnormally hard even for semi casual players and besides anyone doing L3-L4 can pretty much inifi-fit t1 frigs for PVP. Its not ISK I think. I think its more image then anything else.

Here is an example from my own failbook. I was doing L4 missions solo, and screwed up aggro on a Mission *worlds collide* and lost a t2 fit Navy Geddon. I was more upset about what my Corp Members would say then I was about the 350 million ISK hit I took.

Is it Kill Mail that makes us so Risk Averse? Is that why a guy would SD a Titan instead of letting someone kill it. Is the shame of someone have KB on us making us too afraid to take chances with our boats? If so, why?
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#2 - 2012-01-19 02:27:44 UTC
I don't understand it myself

We were out roaming last night and encountered a battle badger fleet that outnumbered us 3 to 1.
they docked up.

now I could understand if they were in decent ships and didn't want to take the risk, but they were in freekin disposable ships, if they got even one of us they could lose the entire fleet and still be ahead in isk destroyed.

makes no sense sometimes, why fleet up in a suicide fleet and then hide in station???


Y U NO FIGHT?
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#3 - 2012-01-19 02:40:23 UTC
People pay way too much attention to the numbers on kill boards. Let's say you get in a fight with a much larger fleet of battle badgers. So what? As long as the fight was enjoyable I don't really think it matters on what side of a kill mail you are.


(That is if you're not in a ratting titan. Then you should self destruct.)

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met worst
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-01-19 03:04:09 UTC
Let's see.

I am averse to FC's screaming 'STFU" in my ear while I'm trying to tell 'em the cyno is NOT blue.

I am averse to getting jumped at a gate in my solo Loki by 200 canes.

I am averse to having everybody post "failfit" on Eve_Kill after my PvE boat was killed in lowsec by an '03 leet.

I am averse to some prick saying the J word and then getting primaried by the FC while the J-Worder has a laugh with his mates.

I am averse to finding and killing some random dude 40 jumps away because he told our alliance leader he was an idiot one day.

I am averse to shooting the POS of some random dude 50 jumps away and it's not even a C moon let alone a T.

I am averse to being told to jump when intel says there's 100 snipes on the other side and the FC can't read.

I am averse to having my FC bawled out by the alliance leader in the middle of an Op.

I am averse to listening to an alliance cheif telling us (on and on) about the "state" in the middle of an Op.


TL;DR >> If I'm going to die, it's on MY terms and NO-ONE has met my terms.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-19 03:09:32 UTC
You can all be sure that if ever you encounter a fleet with me at the helm, we are going to fight and die stupendously.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
met worst
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-01-19 03:12:08 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You can all be sure that if ever you encounter a fleet with me at the helm, we are going to fight and die stupendously.

How many alts you got??!!!

You just cracked 4800 likes only 3 days ago.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-19 03:12:34 UTC
But to be fair I only lead fleets of "disposable" ships like Rifters and Hurricanes.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-01-19 03:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
met worst wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You can all be sure that if ever you encounter a fleet with me at the helm, we are going to fight and die stupendously.

How many alts you got??!!!

You just cracked 4800 likes only 3 days ago.

I made a few hundred posts over the weekend, perhaps you'd like to go find them and add your likes to my total? Smile

e: Nevermind, most of my posting was in CAOD and as a result you will not be able to like them from that character.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
met worst
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-01-19 03:18:03 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
met worst wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You can all be sure that if ever you encounter a fleet with me at the helm, we are going to fight and die stupendously.

How many alts you got??!!!

You just cracked 4800 likes only 3 days ago.

I made a few hundred posts over the weekend, perhaps you'd like to go find them and add your likes to my total? Smile

e: Nevermind, most of my posting was in CAOD and as a result you will not be able to like them from that character.

Ahhh.... CAOD.

Thought you had 7 monitors or something.

1 to count the Tech moon coinage, 1 to do the posting and 5 to do the LIKES.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#10 - 2012-01-19 03:18:30 UTC
met worst wrote:
Let's see.

I am averse to FC's screaming 'STFU" in my ear while I'm trying to tell 'em the cyno is NOT blue.

I am averse to getting jumped at a gate in my solo Loki by 200 canes.

I am averse to having everybody post "failfit" on Eve_Kill after my PvE boat was killed in lowsec by an '03 leet.

I am averse to some prick saying the J word and then getting primaried by the FC while the J-Worder has a laugh with his mates.

I am averse to finding and killing some random dude 40 jumps away because he told our alliance leader he was an idiot one day.

I am averse to shooting the POS of some random dude 50 jumps away and it's not even a C moon let alone a T.

I am averse to being told to jump when intel says there's 100 snipes on the other side and the FC can't read.

I am averse to having my FC bawled out by the alliance leader in the middle of an Op.

I am averse to listening to an alliance cheif telling us (on and on) about the "state" in the middle of an Op.


TL;DR >> If I'm going to die, it's on MY terms and NO-ONE has met my terms.


CURRENT CORPORATION
Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2011.11.12 23:05 to this day

Post with your main or get out.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-01-19 03:21:54 UTC
met worst wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
met worst wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
You can all be sure that if ever you encounter a fleet with me at the helm, we are going to fight and die stupendously.

How many alts you got??!!!

You just cracked 4800 likes only 3 days ago.

I made a few hundred posts over the weekend, perhaps you'd like to go find them and add your likes to my total? Smile

e: Nevermind, most of my posting was in CAOD and as a result you will not be able to like them from that character.

Ahhh.... CAOD.

Thought you had 7 monitors or something.

1 to count the Tech moon coinage, 1 to do the posting and 5 to do the LIKES.

I actually have only two monitors, one to run whatever game I am playing and one to run my browser and various other programs such as chat clients and Winamp.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
met worst
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-01-19 03:29:00 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
met worst wrote:
Let's see.

I am averse to FC's screaming 'STFU" in my ear while I'm trying to tell 'em the cyno is NOT blue.

I am averse to getting jumped at a gate in my solo Loki by 200 canes.

I am averse to having everybody post "failfit" on Eve_Kill after my PvE boat was killed in lowsec by an '03 leet.

I am averse to some prick saying the J word and then getting primaried by the FC while the J-Worder has a laugh with his mates.

I am averse to finding and killing some random dude 40 jumps away because he told our alliance leader he was an idiot one day.

I am averse to shooting the POS of some random dude 50 jumps away and it's not even a C moon let alone a T.

I am averse to being told to jump when intel says there's 100 snipes on the other side and the FC can't read.

I am averse to having my FC bawled out by the alliance leader in the middle of an Op.

I am averse to listening to an alliance cheif telling us (on and on) about the "state" in the middle of an Op.


TL;DR >> If I'm going to die, it's on MY terms and NO-ONE has met my terms.


CURRENT CORPORATION
Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2011.11.12 23:05 to this day

Post with your main or get out.

Can't do that. Then you'll know where I am getting much of my intel. Maybe I should post recent convoes with Zag, Monty or even Mittens. Hmmm....

And anyway, only 3 types of people post on their main.

1) People with no static assets
2) Those with lotsa numbers to hide behind
3) STUPID people
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-19 03:33:02 UTC
Not meaning to be an ass here but what does all this cloak and daggers ~puppetmasta~ stuff have to do with the average player's enjoyment of EVE Online, the popular spaceship MMO produced by CCP, hf.?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
met worst
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-01-19 03:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: met worst
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Not meaning to be an ass here but what does all this cloak and daggers ~puppetmasta~ stuff have to do with the average player's enjoyment of EVE Online, the popular spaceship MMO produced by CCP, hf.?

Dunno. Ask the FA dude who prattled on about "mains" when I was posting my view on "risk aversion".

I care less.

EDIT: And in fairness, Mr. FA dude prolly not considering that 3 of my "mains" who used to fly right next to Mr. FA were sold and are therefore unable to speak for themselves.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#15 - 2012-01-19 03:39:32 UTC
met worst wrote:
Can't do that. Then you'll know where I am getting much of my intel. Maybe I should post recent convoes with Zag, Monty or even Mittens. Hmmm....

And anyway, only 3 types of people post on their main.

1) People with no static assets
2) Those with lotsa numbers to hide behind
3) STUPID people


You forgot #4, people who are comfortable with standing behind what they say.

You have no important intel so no one cares, much like the bleatings of an unsung noobcorp alt. In short, get out.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-01-19 03:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
met worst wrote:
Can't do that. Then you'll know where I am getting much of my intel. Maybe I should post recent convoes with Zag, Monty or even Mittens. Hmmm....


according to your intel, lyris nairn has a personal tech moon

i lawled at that

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Sara XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#17 - 2012-01-19 03:48:13 UTC
5) New players. Big smile
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-01-19 03:49:39 UTC
also, the reason titan pilots self destruct is not just to avoid killmails, but to deny loot -- self-destructing destroys all your mods.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-01-19 03:51:28 UTC
also, 6) people who want to claim that they've lived in nullsec/wormholes but don't have the corp/kb history to back it up (because they're liars)

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Vyl Vit
#20 - 2012-01-19 04:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Take one of the cornerstones of human development -risk aversion- and recast it as a malady, and a sign of dysfunction, reel out the arguments for and it's reduced to a chest beating contest. Interesting thread here.

Edit: C ock-a-doodle-dooooooooo!

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
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