Crime & Punishment

I don't know what game you're describing, but it certainly isn't Eve. The only correct part is that it's endorsed, the rest is just bollocks.

Given the value of what he was hauling and how his ship was fitted it would have died at the first gate patrolled by gankers anyway.

Utter horseshit, some of the T1 industrials can pack a fairly serious tank and/or align/warp like a cruiser; at least 2 of the haulers can do both at the same time.

What got the OP killed was not his choice of ship but the choices he made about the fit and the cargo.

TL;DR You don't know what you're talking about, :not shocked:

Hate to be a pedant, but the Skiff isn't a T1 ship, or a barge for that matter; it's a T2 exhumer.

Other than that, pretty much all of the above.

Being so shocked by this revelation I went and attempted to validate your figures with fits so we could together go and rage against the machine. I need some help first. No matter how much I try I can not get a venture to mine at 66% of a skiff. I would like suggestions on how to acheive this

I'm going to make a few assumptions while I work through my findings
Assumption 1
You never need to cycle off to drop ore to station and always acheive 100% mining efficiency with yoru cycles
Assumption 2
You are mining veldspar and selling it in Jita on buy orders
Assumption 3
You purchased the fittings I constructed from Jita on sell orders
Assumption 4
All ships are omni tanked and I selected the Cal Navy antimatter as the ammo shooting them

Here are the figures I got to attempting to validate your claims
Venture 2.7k ehp, 10.4 m3/s(6mil isk per hour), 7.8mil isk,
Procurer 82k ehp, 20 m3/s(12mil isk per hour), 53mil isk
Skiff 120k ehp, 22 m3/s(13.5mil isk per hour), 247mil isk
Covetor 8.2k ehp, 30.3 m3/s(18mil isk per hour), 57.5mil isk
Code standard destroyer fit for solo ganking 448DPS, 4mil isk

Assumption 5
I'm going with 22 seconds for concord to respond (my personal experiance in .6 systems)
So each destroyer can deal 9856 damage before concord respond to stop it.

Venture = 1 Gank cata. Isk efficiency 3.8mil per cata
Procurer = 9 Gank cata. Isk efficiency 17mil/1.8mil per cata
Skiff = 13 Gank cata. Isk efficiency 195mil/15mil per cata
Covetor = 1 Gank cata. Isk efficiency 52.5mil per cata

To summerise you need 9 or 13 people to kill a proc/skiff and its still more efficient to gank a covetor. Ganking can be done once every 15 mins. I know what I would choose given the option

PS I've done more anti ganking(well to be fair we wern't trying to prevent ganks so much as enjoyed ******* with random people with kill rights flying catas and talos's) than most(defiently not all I lack dedication) people posting in these forums. But do us all a favour and post based on fact and not butt hurt. Thankyou

You can ignore Basil there. He has some unconventional ideas like a Catalyst, and thus ganking, is "free" because certain career agents award them, and that docking up while in a war is an "exploit". For that matter, he also claims that wars themselves are harassment under the EULA but for some reason CCP lacks the courage to enforce that. Oh, and there is a SP wall of 50M skill points or so before which you are completely non-viable as a PvP pilot in this game.

I may misremember the details or the logic of his theories but if you ask nicely I am sure he will try to explain his views.

I laughed without guilt, good-bye yet another anti ganking alt.

You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to use Special Olympics as an insult.

Now get out and crawl back to whatever hole you've been hiding in since you last left Eve.

I ganked a Venture in an Atron once.

It was cool. Huh huh huh uh huh...

No, it doesn't, and you know it, but still try to derail it trying to put irrelevant points in.
It is well known that special olympics team known as ganktards are lazy and stupid, they already fell to the easiest and foolproof-est thing to do - ganking - usually by failing at everything else (while constantly telling us eve should be a dark and dangerous place... for everyone but them, apparently). So, yes, there is a high possibility that they would go for easiest target, thus it is a #1 mistake to be a target in the first place! It is not rocket science - ganktards in system - dock the hell up, clone jump away, resume at new location, and don't mine within 3 jumps from their cancer dens. If you didn't dock up, you deserve to die (though of course ganktards did nothing to deserve the kill, self-destruct should be faster).



It is stupid to begin with. First of all, only cancer dens are dangerous, most 0.5 and 0.6 system never saw CODE in them. Second, assuming you're mining in a Procurer in a cancer den area, you're literally ganking yourself. As it stands, Covetor would have to mine for 5 hours to outmine Procurer for its full cost. Thus, by mining in a Procurer, you are guaranteed to lose a Covetor every 5 hours, all by yourself, with only difference being that it leaves no killboard trace. If you self-gank for at least once a week, shouldn't I wonder if you are ********?

Thus, yeah, mining around cancer dens is picking your poison. Either you go with Covetor like you should, and have to dock up every time Special Olympics team enters local, or you mine in a Procurer and every 5 hours you gank yourself, then lazy stupid ganktards drop enough input broadcasted alts on you and you lose a Procurer too.

Which is exactly the point. Do not mine in a Procurer. Do not mine near cancer dens. I have no sympathy for morons who couldn't follow those two simple rules, the only issue I have with it is that ganktards get stupid high reward for flying almost free ships with little to no thought into it. Current hisec is so depopulated, surely there's a good place that never saw a catalyst flying in it that you can occupy, do it.


The irony of firing that stupid comment at a post describing exactly what should be done, oh, the irony.

Yes, Orca Platypus, yes...

Let the butthurt flow through you.

My personal favorite thing about alpha's.

The old school salt mines are open for business.

Welcome back Orca Platypus.