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Reprocessing, NPC station vs. Citadel
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ZeuzX
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-11-20 19:57:16 UTC
So I'm getting back into the game after a year of absence. I'm finding citadels in the High Sec system I'm mining in. My question is how do I know if reprocessing in a citadel (public) is better than doing it in an NPC station. This is assuming I have no standing with the station owners.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#2 - 2016-11-21 11:16:42 UTC
NPC station reprocessing plants, at best, have a base efficiency of 50%. Citadels (or engineering complexes) can reach 54% in high-sec. NPC stations also charge a 5% tax. Citadel owners generally charge a much more reasonable fee, around 1%-2%. Also, reprocessing plants at citadels or engineering complexes allow you compress ore for free, which makes moving it much easier.

If you had to choose between two systems that are otherwise equal, but one has a freeport citadel with a reprocessing plant, I would strongly recommend setting up in the system with the citadel.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
deSitter
Commodity Supply Cooperative
#3 - 2016-11-22 17:01:25 UTC
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NPC stations also charge a 5% tax. Citadel owners generally charge a much more reasonable fee, around 1%-2%.


Just out of interest, what is this a tax on? I'm currently looking at the reprocessing screen with 100 units of Veldspar in a citadel with a 1% tax rate. The tax is 11.21 isk, meaning its a tax on a value of 1121 isk. But I'm not sure where this number comes from. The input Est. price is 1950 isk, and the output 1430 isk, so it does not seem to be taxing based on estimated prices. Are there some numbers behind the scenes that it uses for calculations, similar to how Customs Tax is applied from imports/exports of different tier commodities? Could anyone clarify?
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#4 - 2016-11-23 13:14:43 UTC
Eve calculates a "price" for each commodity that has been in the game long enough for its algorithm to work. This is not the current market price.

The algorithm appears to be a moving average with outliers removed - my guess is a 30 day moving average with 3 sigma rule but I don't know the details.

Reprocessing tax used to be taken in kind but is now charged in ISK. NPC stations will have 30% to 50% efficiency and the tax rate will vary between 0% and 5% depending on your standing with the corp that owns the station.

Citadel reprocessing efficiency will vary - usually 52% or 54% depending on the choice of rigs. Tax rates are set by the owner and may also vary depending on standing.

Reprocessing efficiency also depends on skill. You may be better off selling compressed ore and buying minerals.
deSitter
Commodity Supply Cooperative
#5 - 2016-11-25 03:32:20 UTC
I understand all of that. I had assumed the reprocessing tax applied to the est. 'price' you mention, hence why I did the test mentioned in my OP to find that this does not appear to be the case.Given an output est. price of 1430 isk I had assumed a tax amount of 14.3 isk at a Citidal with a1% reprocessing tax, I however was taxed 11.2 isk.

My question is, if say I were to reprocess at a NPC station, with a 5% tax and no standing reductions, then what value is being taxed. 5% of WHAT exactly?

Cheers,
Raker Plaude
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-11-25 06:26:43 UTC
deSitter wrote:
I understand all of that. I had assumed the reprocessing tax applied to the est. 'price' you mention, hence why I did the test mentioned in my OP to find that this does not appear to be the case.Given an output est. price of 1430 isk I had assumed a tax amount of 14.3 isk at a Citidal with a1% reprocessing tax, I however was taxed 11.2 isk.

My question is, if say I were to reprocess at a NPC station, with a 5% tax and no standing reductions, then what value is being taxed. 5% of WHAT exactly?

Cheers,

That estimate output price, I _think_ is based more on the current market and the current region that you are in. The tax is applied to a (semi) constant price for that commodity across ALL of New Eden.
deSitter
Commodity Supply Cooperative
#7 - 2016-11-25 10:28:45 UTC
The output Est. price shown on the reprocessing window is the same as that given when you click on the in your inventory, which is to say the New Eden wide average CCP price 'Do Little' mentioned. Just to be sure I processed 244 units of Tritanium with a current Est. price of 1480 isk, and loaded them into my cargo hold. I then flew into 4 different regions and noted that the est. price remained constant. There must be some other value to which the reprocessing tax is applied.
Kosomot
Player Vs Ore
Miners Of Independence
#8 - 2016-11-25 23:01:05 UTC
ZeuzX wrote:
So I'm getting back into the game after a year of absence. I'm finding citadels in the High Sec system I'm mining in. My question is how do I know if reprocessing in a citadel (public) is better than doing it in an NPC station. This is assuming I have no standing with the station owners.



Wait Citadels can be public? how do I tell if that is the case?

I am a miner, mission runner, and explorer...

or as EVE Online would have it...

A Carebear!!
Ayzn Betokhn
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2016-11-26 00:01:18 UTC
All citadels show up on the overview. One way to see if you have access to a citadel, right click in space, under "structures" will be the public citadels you can dock at.