EVE General Discussion

No one is against wan... oh, you meant walking. Sorry, need more coffee.

That's pretty much it. Nobody is really against it in a vacuum, but in terms of gameplay return for dev time invested, I don't think the ROI is there for most players.

There's a difference between, "That would be cool," and, "That's so cool, I want to have it at any cost." WIS is definitely not the latter.

If i recall, It's the way it was implemented that caused the uproar and rejection. WIS forced players into the Capt. Quarters and took away the ship hanger as well as some other major changes. Players rioted in-game and caused server nodes to crash. Tons of cancelled accounts. Enough to force CCP to change some of it back.

for some including me, believes that it will cause some dudes to not undock and therefore reduce the pew pew.

Very simple. Fanboyism. The fanboys will believe anything and everything CCP do is right. Just like with any community and its "fans". With the exception of EVE, especially. Since its community is absolutely cancerous. Immersion is an essential component to a game, and one of the components EVE is totally lacking. And one of the reasons why the game is overall stagnant with gamers. A lot of people simply don't want to even try the game because of this. No content, no immersion. A game based purely on player-to-player interactions. The day they implement these essential components is the day the userbase skyrockets. And so does the game's success.

Yeah, I was unbelievably excited when they announced Incarna. And.... they throw walking in stations out the window. They even have footage of atmospheric flight on planets. Which was also scrapped. Yeah... not sure what goes on at CCP, but I have a feeling a lot of it has to do with complacency. Self-destructive complacency.

Same reason we all hate panda bears.

It's one of those things that sounds cool, but turns out was a dumb idea from the beginning and nobody really noticed. Even after dumping a ton of cash into, taking on a ton of debt, and subsequently firing 1/3 of their employees, CCP never really had a good reason why it should ever even exist. The "why bother" question was passed to the players in a limited way on the forums, and it turns out, literally nobody had a good answer. The best anyone can come up with is vague "because I want to see what it'll look like." This same idea falls into a classification of bad ideas that you see a lot of on the F&I section of the forums that are invariably posted by rookies who know just enough about the game to come up with bad ideas but not enough to recognize bad ideas.

The thing I want from WIS is a way to bring the EVE Meta back into eve. One thing I thought was extremely cool in UO was people would own houses, and the houses would be full of books. And you could go to those houses and look up important information all within the game, without having to use google.

If Eve uni tutorials could be brought into station environments. Video Games. Eve central, or Eve Mogul, or all the many other sites could somehow have their information available in-game that would be awesome. If players could sell out of their homes, so that if someone wanted something on the market, they could trigger a barter exchange and do business personally instead of via the market. Simulations where players could go into a betting room and watch eve unfold from the perspective of another player. Or instructional simulations where an instructor could control and share her perspective, and give temporary control to students so they could demonstrate their technique, then the instructor could re-assume control to show the student what they did wrong.

It's all about creating new content, or integrating old content in a more personal way. In fact, the name "Walking in Stations" is the problem. Who wants to just walk around in a station? "Content In Stations!" That's what I want. Strategy rooms where leaders can plot out their intended attack patterns on an interactive 3d display. Using markers to represent fleets and outposts. Complete with notes and record able to chips that can be passed around. Libraries of tutorials like the current NPE. Where instead of watching a video. The a player made tutorial leads the player through the steps in an interactive simulation so the player actually gets a "feel" for it without leaving the safety of a station. Or just libraries of books. Why can't we make our own books and notes to pass around in-game? If a corp has a guide for newbies, they should be able to physically hand that to other players for them to read in-game. Binding arbitration, where leaders can meet face-to-face to form treaties with automatically enforced clauses, such as automatic penalties for attacking or killing own members, or penalties for not coming to mutual aid. Maybe benefits like preferred trading partners, etc.

People could make a living in eve making these tutorials. People could make a living in eve in popular tournaments that are not special CCP events, but happen daily or weekly to huge audiences that buy "tickets" to witness the event from their favorite players pov. The problem seems to be with CCP's attitude. CCP said that they aren't going to bring WiS until they can think of some way to make the content relevant. They don't want WiS to be purely decorational like the CQ is now. This is good, but, CCP doesn't need to make the content. CCP just has to give us the tools to make our own content, and we will. I think in a way, when it comes to WiS, CCP forgot that we are the content creations, they just need to concentrate on making the tools.

Would all backseat programmers please X up?

And here's the problem. The ideas there that are worth consideration would work better *without* having to do the walking in stations part. Combining any of them with WIS takes them from "could possibly be a useful thing to at least a small handful of players" to "a big hassle not worth messing with." That's exactly what the devs were confronted with in the burning wreckage of Incarna.