Crime & Punishment

I left the double quote in here as a protest. I have learned that if you just press the "post" button after spending time writing something, that you have about a 50% chance of seeing nothing in the next screen - meaning your work has gone into time dilation and may not appear for days if ever. Before I press the "post" button, I save my work and then paste it in the next blank screen and then it gets published. This time, it published the quote in my paste and the second one must have ripened out there in dilated time and just showed up. If I had deleted it and maybe because I have editted it, I may be posting another paste in the blank screen which is possibly about to come up.





Well, you are ready to go against it but you just don't understand it. Aww what the hell.... What's to know, it screws with hisec, that is all yaI need to know.

OK - the mom comes out during a set window of time after the incursion begins, whether the incursion has been worked or not.

The mom begins to withdraw within a set window of time after appearing and by either death of the mom or successful withdrawal of the mom, the incursion ends.

How would moving them all out of hisec change anything except who gets to milk the cow?

And oh yeah, another thing... about half of the hisec incursion runners I know are really alts of nullsec alliance mains.

The real issue here is null alliances getting butthurt because their "faithful" are not showing up as often as before.

Alliances are the ones who make ISK from the moongoo monopolies and from corps make it from taxes off lo/null sec incursions. The players who have formed their own small corps of one or two are the ones who make the ISK from hisec incursions.

At least that is how it has gone in the brick. So many have just quit to pursue more fun or more ISK (probably both) and Datius the tird - (oh sorry, left the "h" out by accident) And Darius the third is unhappy about losing control - but of course, we all know that no one can lose what they never had in the first place.

null sec alliances rely on extortion as one form of income and they practice it at home first with their own members.

Now, I'm going to get busy making a lot of ISK - not this 'toon, silly.... Just like Darrius the whatever, I go incursioning in an alt.

All of this is null crybears moaning and groaning that they cant control all of the isk in eve. how dare carebears get something to actually make isk with. The incursions in low and null sec have the same mechanics. Dont give me that line of more risk in null because its 0.0. Your alliances control large chunks of space with blue patrols and the works. anything comming in that isnt blue gets popped. Low and null sec incursions pay out more anyways. I dont know why you crybears insist on trying to make everyone in eve play the way you want them, which is being your slave!

I'm surprised that they keep spinning that old broken record honestly..

******* figures, I finally decide to try to get into incursions as a change of pace and some faggots are running their mouths about how it needs to be nerfed. Why don't ya'll go play another damn game and let those of us that actually like Eve play it?

Callous, for someone who's main I'm pretty sure I don't like, you speak excellent truth.

That was a masterfully crafted post. Have a +1.

They have managed before incursions came out, so I don't see how they couldn't if incursions were properly balanced.



From the last sentence I'm going to assume that you're trolling, but I might as well point this out anyways.

Incursions are, of course, harder than average PVE content, so they should pay out more than you average level 4 agent. The problem is the fact that they're being farmed, rather than 'ok, this incursion is done, let's go to the next one'. The whole point of incursions SHOULD be to finish off the mothership, go to the next incursion, rinse and repeat. Instead, you have people farming vanguards rather than completing the incursion, defeating half of why incursions exist in the first place.

Considering the RP buildup that it had, despite :lolrp: it should make sense to finish them off. You're helping Concord in ridding the empires of the Sansha, who are there to harvest citizens of the respective empires to make into more Sansha slaves. Defeating the mothership has them leave, and no more people are being harvested. The fact that people farm vanguards as it is a bigger money maker than just killing the mothership shows how broken Incursions are, or at least heavily straying from their original intended purpose.

What CCP needs to do is add incentive to finish the mothership off, thereby making it so that there is a new incursion to run. What I think (and should probably make an assembly hall thread for) should happen is to have all of the rats completely despawn once the mothership arrives. I've never gone to an incursion mothership before, but I imagine that there would be numerous incursion rats defending it, so maybe they could add some more rats to defend the mom. These rats would have half or more of the LP payed out (or bounty, however it works) in order to decrease the incentive to farm the incursion. If it's not possible to instantly despawn rats from a complex, they could announce through one way or another that the mothership has spawned, and they need to GTFO out of the complexes and help to kill it. If they stay, the beacon could do something like emit shockwaves of damage that do, say, 2000 omni damage every 3 seconds?

This would hopefully increase the rationale to go and kill the mothership, rather than the boring old vanguard farming that is going on now.

Wow, if that isnt a list of hipocritical assumptions if I've ever seen one. First of all, no, I've never studied Psychology, I just know people well enough to know how they operate. Secondly, I havnt run a single incursion yet, if you had read one of my earli posts you might have heard me mentioning that I was months away from the skills to get past the elitist blockade? Nah, you've clearly done your research. Third, I didnt assume any personality traits, I observed and extrapolated from the way people we're acting, and what they we're saying, the type of person they are. For example, your clearly a self righteous, arrogant, assumption driven over reactor who attempts to elevate himself by putting others down. I find it more likely that if you attempted to write a wall about assumed personalities it would simply show how little you actually know.



I thank you for proving my point. It's a shame you cant avoid torturing small animals and abusing the elderly simply because it's wrong though. You might want to see a doctor about those impulses before you wind up on the evening news, if your not already going to.

Ultimately, somehow, my point got loss in this whole mess, I apologize for that to everyone. I did ramble a bit about pirate psychology so please allow me to short hand my point here. My point was, their are many ways to play the game that dont involve directly destroying others gaming experience, yet clearly, people like you can find no enjoyment in anything that isnt harmful to others. Sorry for the long winded post earlier, I suppose you think I was attempting to speak over your head. I was simply trying to make a clear point, but I wandered, my bad.

yeah I agree with Adamus Gerrard, no need to comment this one

Assuming null pilots gets a signficant piece of the moon pie is a bit hilarious. Assuming null pilots don't have highsec mains to get safe, easy iskies for their combat main's ships. Assuming quite a good chunk of the organized groups doing Incursions regulary prior to this aren't doing so to the fund their null activities. Assume none of that is true, and null groups aren't being invaded/attacked/gorrilla hit by ships bought by the Incursion running alts of.. wait for it, actual null players.

Okey dokes. Assume what ya want. Do take everything at face value, there is nothing more to it than jealousy. Mmhmm.

Incursions have no risk because very few people have decided to EXPLOIT the process.
Kissandra got 3-4 ASSULT fleet dead before people started catching onto her (and that was after she was banned a few months ago)

Skunkworks got over 100billion isk in incursion kills due to an "exploit" (i use this term lightly) that is fixed by simply having your basi test cap near a station, incursion runners were so focused on MAX ISK/HRS that they refused to take the time to do it. (note they was on the blacklist after the first gank)

If anything, it's the griefers faults, for not taking advantage of a warp gate that insta kills the first 3 ships inside if a proper fleet isn't in place