EVE General Discussion

Just because YOU cannot play effectively with one character does not mean the rest of us are as floppy and flacid as you, sir

Calm down ganker is a rip off of the HTFU line calm down miner, it is a nice throw away line that one can use at certain points in time. Wow using racist out of context to boot, you do need to calm down.

There is no way to prove that your words are true, there are so many people who do solo PvP, but have a boosting alt, thankfully made a bit more difficult, a Falcon alt and of course scouts to locate and get close to targets. Put simply it may be possible that you do indeed only have one account, but the odds are very unlikely.

As for being flabby, I played the first two years with a single account and there are a number of things that were high risk because of having one account when there was no one else online. A little bit or organisation and foresight normally sorted that for me, but it got a bit tedious as it often involved a lot of work or waiting around for people to get online.

The issue is that casual players are easy meat because of this, but seeing as you seem to be pushing one account only, can we impose that so everyone has a single account, I would rather like that!

Uhuh, I've been playing with a single account since 2012. You don't have to believe it, because once again, you are a nobody who doesn't matter to anybody. There are enough people in the game who do matter that know this is true that I feel no need to convince you, only the people that might read your bullshit and be misled by it. One might even mistake you for a CCP shill trying to convince people to hand over more of their money unecessarily, but only briefly before remembering you're a nobody who just isn't good enough to work with CCP. I'm not pushing for people to have one account, I'm just calling out your bullshit claim that the game can't be played with just one. I'm not the only one who does just fine with one account though, vladdy boy, so you once again do little more than expatiate complete bullshit and subsequently demonstrate your lack of understanding of EVE Online, as usual. Thank you, come again.

You do need to calm down, did the threat of legal action from those Scientologists really get you that worked up, and you have never calmed down since?

So when people play with one account like I did for two years and those around me had two, three or even more accounts I am at a massive disadvantage am I not? My statement is that Eve has always been pay to win and having the ability to pay for more than one account is effectively paying to win, the OP asked to even that up a bit by allowing him to run an Alpha account alongside his Omega clone which is a fair point.

That you state rather self pompously that you have one account as if it means anything when the majority of PvP players have multiple accounts makes no real difference, the majority of people that one plays against in Eve have multiple accounts, or at least the ones who matter do. I for one would be very happy to restrict Eve to one account only, I guess you would not!

Jenn aSide:

So many vitriolic hooks and barbs...
Why you want to hurt my feelings :(

A) I do not expect rote agreement. If I did, I would only say things that everyone can agree with (if such a thing exists)
B) "Getting" it was in reference to a number of other posters who did not understand the underlying concenpt I was talking about.
C) This lack of understanding is evidenced not by their lack of agreement, but by their kneejerk reaction and/or avoidance of the issue in their responses.
D) I was not aware Alphas can use faction items. This seems a stupid and incongruous decision, but nevermind that now.
E) My point was to explore/discuss a perspective on the nature of equity between a free and paid service, not to whine or demand anything.
F) I dont care, either way. As it stands, my only use for Alphas atm is to setup as many of them as I can be bothered to login to update skill ques on for whichever future purpose.

I still stand on the validity of my argument, but I concede that is not how CCP chose to rationalize their decision.
I had considered the possible repercussions (albeit I was not aware Alphas can use Faction items), but found them largely inconsequential for the following reasons:
- Regulation is possible by requiring both to have the same email registration.
-Paying clients, pay. Free Alphas, dont. It is rational that a paid account can also use free services. This has been discussed by from both sides.
-Barring this new info on Alphas being able to use Faction items, I found Alpha account potential to be largely inconsequential.
-Eve is, imo, best played with atleast 2 accounts simultaneously inorder to leverage capacity into accessing more content, and also creating more content. This is my subjective view. Some have stated they prefer one account. So be it. Nobody is forcing them to use 2+, nor to use the Omega +1 Alpha solution I proposed. They can fly solo to their hearts content.
-I find the above is especially true considering the proliferation of multi-account players in EVE.
-The equity would be the same for both new and old players, on Omega. Both receive the same simultaneous Alpha. This is less useful to established pkayers, cos Alphas are pretty crap. It is, however, a tremendous boon for newer and less established paying players.

By all means, we can discuss this. But the barbs, hooks, vitriol are not constructive or necessary.

I refer to that poster as Jenn a'Snide with good reason...

I certainly understood what you were getting at, but what you have to understand is that the existing easy kill player base do not want the prey players to have something that will enable them to avoid expensive losses by being able to scout themselves with a cheap alpha clone. That is the reason for the knee jerk reaction, this would threaten their easy kills and ability to laugh at people who can't afford more than one account... It is human nature of people who want easy stuff and hate challenges, a challenge is for other people not them. And that is a large segment of the Eve player base I am sad to say, though it looks like I can give credit to Keno Skir as not being one of them which is good to see.

The parity between the paid and free services have been explored. Specifically in noting that the full use of the free service is allowed to you with all the limitations associated with that service.

Allowing an Alpha without cost to be logged in beside an omega may or may not be personally desirable, but either way that's very literally asking for more than what the limits of an alpha allow, as was the case with trial account before.

Simultaneous logins have always had a price point for additional logins equal to a paid account each. That has in no way changed. It isn't part of the free service either, and thus can't be an omission when moving from free to paid.

Everybody and his dog gets a 1-floor building to live in, for free.
You can, however, choose to build a second floor on top of it with your own funds.
Demanding another 1-floor building (because you just own a 2-floor one) is a bit off imo.

That's a somewhat less than genuine analysis. The paradox you're trying to create lies in the logic that all alpha scouts are equal between what you're advocating and the current state of affairs.

The problem there is that the value of an alpha account isn't realistically the same. A scout you can move and have intel you can simultaneously act on is clearly superior to one that you can only use by eliminating your ability to act with any other character and lose the ability to use for intel gathering in order to act on intel already gathered.

Now to the point about just using an omega, there is a price point for that. What you're trying to do is remove the price point for that function by suggesting the only gains are the skill/ship use abilities of an Alpha vs an Omega. As I illustrated, that's not the case. Realistically specific ships/skill are not even the main benefit of a scout. Simultaneous action is.

And that's exactly what your asking to be made free despite not being a part of the free package as used by paying or non-paying players.

Except you don't. You still get the first floor of the same house. You're asking to use one of the other 1 story houses at the same time as the 2 story house.

If we were barred as omega accounts from using T1 Frigates/Destroyers/Cruisers or associated T1/meta mods you would have a case there, but I retain all alpha abilities on this account in addition to the Omega ones.