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Training 2X faster than what?

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2016-11-22 14:13:53 UTC
Conrad Makbure wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Conrad Makbure wrote:
Amanda Chelian wrote:
Yup, it's the alphas that are running at half training speed. But "train skills at normal speed!" doesn't make for good marketing to get the Omega sub sold, hence the play with words.



Yeah, but saying Alpha is the new normal speed overnight is dumb. It would have been better to just not put a "2x" on the Omega skill window and rather have something that says "training at half speed, subscribe now for full training speed" for Alpha. When Alpha clones subscribe, they will see the difference in days reduced on their training queues. That's all you need, no need to put 2x on the subscriber queue window.
That makes sense if you ignore who you're marketing to on a few levels. 1) It marks the new alpha accounts that you're doing your best to welcome as substandard with "half speed training" 2) It makes what we consider normal training a players prior to alphas seem more special than just "normal" 3) And since this is all marketed at showing alphas what they have to gain by paying as opposed to showing existing paying customers what they already have when it should be pretty obvious there is really no gain in doing it that way.

Well, no gain except maybe this thread not existing.


This is one of the dumbest marketing angles. "We're going to say that normal speed is now 2x speed and half training speed is now the new normal speed." That just sounds stupid and that's exactly what this change is, I don't care who it's marketed to.


That's not what they say. The ad is targeted at alphas who currently train at a reduced rate compared to Omegas. If those account holder decide to subscribe, their training rate will double. This ad was NEVER targeted at any current Omega account holder. Any alpha account holder will see the ad and think it make sense because what is advertised is exactly what they will get. For the entire duration of their alpha state existence, account train at the reduced rate. Paying a subscription on those alpha turn them into Omega which, among other things, double the rate at which they accumulate SP. If you look at the ad from the wrong point of view, you will of course see the wrong message. It's like cell phones provider advertising specials for new customers and you as an existing one think the wording is wrong because you already get what they are offering.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#82 - 2016-11-22 14:16:29 UTC
Conrad Makbure wrote:
Amanda Chelian wrote:
Yup, it's the alphas that are running at half training speed. But "train skills at normal speed!" doesn't make for good marketing to get the Omega sub sold, hence the play with words.



Yeah, but saying Alpha is the new normal speed overnight is dumb. It would have been better to just not put a "2x" on the Omega skill window and rather have something that says "training at half speed, subscribe now for full training speed" for Alpha. When Alpha clones subscribe, they will see the difference in days reduced on their training queues. That's all you need, no need to put 2x on the subscriber queue window.


Alpha speed is normal for alpha account. Your Omega account is completely untouched AND also of course unavailable for what is advertised since you are already paying a subscription. You can't double sub your account after all.
Suroh Kurvora
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#83 - 2016-11-22 16:15:22 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Training at two times the speed of an Alpha, which means that an Alpha trains at half the speed of an Omega.


lol so nothing beyond what we've already had
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2016-11-22 16:26:28 UTC
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Training at two times the speed of an Alpha, which means that an Alpha trains at half the speed of an Omega.


lol so nothing beyond what we've already had

That is correct. Doesn't say that anywhere either, does it?
Kara Hawke
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2016-11-22 16:50:58 UTC
The wording is deceiving. When I logged on my Omega the day of the patch I was confused because it said I was training my skills at x2 speed. To artificially change Alpha speed to the new norm overnight - It isn't false advertising... but it is bad wording. To a new player it sounds like training as an alpha is the same it's always been and upgrading to Omega is twice as fast. It does sound better this way because they don't realize that it's just another paywall that puts them at a disadvantage to a Omega state. Honestly I don't think they should have advertised this as f2p. I understand that EVE's economy relies on the subscription method, But playing around on an alpha is literally covered in the Omega symbol on nearly everything, even basic skills. I've also seen several new players asking what it is that they can actually do as an Alpha, the f2p has attracted allot of people, but most wont stick around. Sad
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#86 - 2016-11-22 16:58:32 UTC
Kara Hawke wrote:
I've also seen several new players asking what it is that they can actually do as an Alpha



Do you tell them they can kill a Pandemic Legion Apostle?

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Suroh Kurvora
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#87 - 2016-11-22 17:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Suroh Kurvora
Neuntausend wrote:
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Training at two times the speed of an Alpha, which means that an Alpha trains at half the speed of an Omega.


lol so nothing beyond what we've already had

That is correct. Doesn't say that anywhere either, does it?


No, it doesn't say that anywhere, I was honestly under the impression our times would've increased and alphas would've gotten what ours are but naturally, I was wrong haha.


I'd like to point out that is in fact yet another reason which helps prove my point that this new so-called free to play model is nothing more than an indefinite trial "mode". CCP will invariably re-work this model despite their fervent claims that everything is working well and fine.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2016-11-22 17:47:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Kara Hawke wrote:
I've also seen several new players asking what it is that they can actually do as an Alpha, the f2p has attracted allot of people, but most wont stick around. Sad

That has always been the same for most newbies, though. Alphas can do about anything in Eve, and most new players will not even get as far as to hit the limitations of what an Alpha character can do. It is very difficult to figure out what to do in Eve, and the obvious, in your face choices (mining, mission running) are boring as all hell.

Eve is a game you need to stick with and get involved with its community. Most players don't have the patience to even really start playing Eve, no matter how much time they get to try it out. I would go out on a limb and say that most new players didn't even have the endurance to finish the trial when it was still 14/21 days. So, it's only a few newbies that will stick around beyond that as Alpha Clone players as well.

There is a lot of fun to be had in Faction Warfare, Wormholes, Incursions, Nullsec and many other facets of the game, and Alphas can participate in all of them. But in order to get to those, one needs to get familiar with the game mechanics and make some friends to play with, and both of these things take more time than many players are willing to spend.

Suroh Kurvora wrote:
I'd like to point out that is in fact yet another reason which helps prove my point that this new so-called free to play model is nothing more than an indefinite trial "mode". CCP will invariably re-work this model despite their fervent claims that everything is working well and fine.

Of course they will iterate on it. CCP always claim that everything is completely fine and working as intended, and it usually takes them a few months or even years to catch on to the fact that it's really not. However, I sure hope they don't end up with a standard run-off-the-mill F2P system. If you allow players "almost" full access to the game without major limitations, they will have no reason to sub, and if they don't sub, CCP doesn't make any money. So they'd have to add items to the NES that actually affect gameplay, to entice players to spend money there, and that is something I deeply resent.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2016-11-23 13:29:29 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
We're splitting hairs over marketing which is clearly aimed at new bloods? Really? I liked GD better when there were threadnaughts on just 'Grr Goons' or CCP hiring policies.

If its aimed at new bloods that why was it crammed down my throat upon logging in? If it didn't apply to me why did CCP force message me about it? Never mind the fact I have never been an alpha.

"...force message"

You also think that people "force" miners into tanking their 100% yield mining barges, correct?

Try harder kid. He was talking about Omegas having signs targeting Alphas all over the client.


Uncle bob, you forgot your meds again. If he's that sensitive to ads, maybe he should just not play Eve? I mean, there are things that are far more... intimately obtrusive than ads in the game.

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Valkyrie Harkonnen
Doomheim
#90 - 2016-11-23 14:27:56 UTC
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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2016-11-23 15:30:53 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Kara Hawke wrote:
I've also seen several new players asking what it is that they can actually do as an Alpha
Do you tell them they can kill a Pandemic Legion Apostle?

Is it really achievement these days? To kill 1 of 123456789th already built ships? And already was late for years to be first killers (1st kill of newly introduced ship is still a history).

And even if new player gets this kill and feel amazed what's next? Kill PL Minokawa? Lol

The problem (as i see it) is that Alpha players are only can be killers in hordes or killers of bads. Well.... Some people built their game play around killing AFK miners in empire so i wouldn't be amazed if someone sees it as norm Lol

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