EVE General Discussion

You weren't clear the second time, either. What you wrote isn't even a sentence. Make a point, if you have one to make, and speak plainly about it. Childish riddles are going to encourage me to take you about as seriously as a child.

- How are you?

Just came back to EVE a few days ago myself. To be honest, I am a little terrified. I always considered myself a well adapted, functioning member of society- and yet, since I returned to this game, I find myself constantly contemplating about how to screw other people over. Not sure if that's normal...

-How is Eve/ Code

My experiences so far are quite limited. As far as I can say, nothing much has changed in lowsec. Svipuls. Svipuls everywhere. Seriously, screw everything about that.
But I am pleasantly surprised with highsec- apparently CODE has been busy the last year and changed highsec for the better. Wrecks and explosions on most gates. Carebears crying in local. It's a thing of beauty. Finally, highsec appears to be the dark, dystopian place it was always supposed to be.
The whole thing reminds me of a poem by Byron i once read:
"..and the widows of Assur are loud in their wail
and the idols are broke in the temple of Bhael.
For the might of the gentile, unsmote by the sword
hath melted like snow in the glance of the Lord."

At this point, I'm seriously considering staying in highsec for a while.

-How about Goons

No idea. I heard they lost a big sov war last year. But I find myself more and more on reddit and less and less on SA, so I am no reliable or knowledegeable source. But word on the street is that dreddit is recruiting.

-Is the game still dying?

I goddamn hope so, would be a shame if it wasn't.

I don't believe anyone that claims they've been here 'from the start' when they then proceed to use that as some kind of qualifier for their opinion. I don't know how your comments regarding gate-camping were meant to be taken, but on the surface, it seems you think that gatecamping and 'griefing' are driving players away. This isn't true now, and it never has been, and if you'd truly been here ten years, you would know that. People probably think you're complaining about gatecamping because you're giving it negative connotations, and, well, you are complaining about gatecamping. Trying to pretend that it's driving players away when it's not really is complaining.

Whoa. You sound mad.

It amuses me greatly when you accuse me of not being the sharpest tool in the shed, while ironically demonstrating with your own vacant hyperbole how you missed the point of my post about player retention. I wasn't talking about any specific kind of player. I was talking about everyone who had been here for a while, and left.

I'm sure it makes you, personally, feel better about yourself to belittle other people who play this game in a way that makes you upset, to make them less than human in your own mind, but you aren't fooling anyone that matters with your armchair psychoanalyses of the playerbase. We don't care what you call us, we're gonna keep ganking, and gatecamping, and doing all those other things you don't like regardless of your vitriol.

So do yourself a favour, sweety. Calm the everloving **** down. Life's too short for the kind of nonsense you're expatiating around here, especially when you seem to be struggling to put it into correctly-formed coherent sentences.

I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, as you say, but your opinion of me means exactly as much as everything else you've posted here: nothing. If you can't contribute to the discussion without discriminating against elements of the playerbase that you just don't like, then you aren't contributing.

Now, onto your assertion that gatecamps are causing people to leave the game: this was proven false, with data, years ago, so your argument there is also irrelevant. Come back when you have a meaningful, mature point to make. And if you're just going to strawman my points about retention again with more of that vacuous, impotent rage of yours, then I can only recommend you get some real therapy with a real psychologist instead of pretending to be one yourself.

I mean exactly what I said, with issues being addressed when they came up. I'm not going to make a detailed list here, the point of my post is that player numbers went down due to poor player retention, not because no new people were joining. I and other friends were recruiting new people every day during our stint in Khanid back in 2014-15, and then we'd watch them leave not because of gate camps, or because they got ganked, but because of a wide variety of reasons associated both with and not with the game itself. We watched the vets leave too, because of bad decisions by CCP, like removing watchlists without balancing the extremely altered power dynamic that resulted. That's just one example, but again, I'm not going to make a list, the point remains that retention is the problem, not attraction of new players. Making the game free will attract new players. It won't necessarily encourage retention. In fact, the only way to encourage retention now is to give those new people a reason to subscribe.

Retention is also the core of the player community. As I explained, the more and the longer people stick around, the more people you have time to get to know, and establish a community with. If turnover is too high, people don't get to know each other, and no community develops. This is what makes retention much more important for a game like EVE Online (with social dynamics at the very heart of what makes the game successful) than any other. Let's face it, you can't PUG sov. And without established villains to rail against, what's left?

And there you go with that useless armchair psychology again. You're wrong on every count, and as long as you continue to approach this and my point from an intentionally adversarial perspective, you will continue to be wrong. You're wrong about your ability to psychoanalyse people over the internet, you have no idea who my friends are, you're wrong about your assumption of what 'content' I'm referring to, and you seem to be completely inept at approaching this issue from a non-partisan standpoint, while I'm coming at it with no agenda except what's best for the game as a whole, not one particular group in it. Please get that through your tiny little skull before you accidentally strawman my positions again, thank you.

I'm also going to report you every time you call someone 'sociopath' or any other pejorative, because you are not qualified to make an accurate psychological assessment of people, so the only way you can be using it is as a pejorative. If you can't be mature and have an adult discussion, then you aren't welcome at the adult table.

You mean like forum alts?

I am not sure why anyone would still "grief" you, since you already try to drown us with your tears.

Again, griefing is against the TOS. If you see someone griefing in game, please file a support ticket. I suggest you read this and become familiar. https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/terms-of-service-en/

If you need help reading it to understand what griefing is, shoot me a message in game and I can try to help you understand.

TII ammo is nice but you can live without it perfectly fine.