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Durncan Vance
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-11-20 14:42:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Durncan Vance
Hi there,

I have a few questions about the politics and history of the EVE universe, since I am new i thought maybe someone here is able to help me with this. I plan to use this Information in my bachelor thesis.

I learnd, that there are coalitions or alliances, wich are groups of coorporations.

1.:
How is the structure of an average coalition? Does it have coorperations for each job?
e.g. one for military, one for mining etc, or does every coorperation has its own segments of military, mining etc

2.:
Are there typical types of Coalitions?
e.g. Headhunters, Miners, Explorers or do all coalitions just plan to gain influence on the Universe?

Since I plan to include B-r5rb into my thesis I am also interested in the history of the Halloween War ( i wasnt able to find more information about the reason for this war) and the involved coorperations.

3.:
How does the metagaming of War work? I read something about propaganda, but wasn't able to identify it.
is there an good example for propaganda (maybe from the halloween war)?

if this is not the correct Forum i apologize, also if there are articles for one of these topics, i would be happy to read them.

have a good day
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#2 - 2016-11-20 16:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
1. A coalition in eve comes in different forms, but in general it could be said to be an alliance of alliances. A corp could have hundreds of people. An alliance can contain hundreds of corps. A coalition could have hundreds of alliances. The relationship is somewhat akin to the relationship between city/state/alliance in real world. Corporations generally already have a set theme before they join an alliance. The corporation might be an industrial focused corp that joins a pvp alliance. Another corp might be a small fleet focused corp. So the roles of corps isn't determined from the top down. Although an alliance in need of more industrials might recruit more industrial corps, they do not tell players (generally) that they must fill a given role outside a corp's focus.

2. Generally mutual defense or offense.

3. Sins of a Solar Spymaster by Mittani on Ten Ton Hammer is a number of very interesting articles relating to the metagame and the politics of sov null. Mittani is the leader of Goonswarm probably the most notorious group in eve. The articles are presented as thoughtful insights, but the articles themselves are examples of propaganda, extolling on the virtues of goonswarm and the CFC.

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Durncan Vance
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-11-20 17:01:20 UTC
Thanks for the answer :)

Iria Ahrens wrote:

2. Generally mutual defense or offense.


So, their goal is metagaming and the option to execute their willing through their fleet?
I am asuming this, because coalitions are made out of so many corps, that a specialisation on anything else is already coverd by at least one alliances.

Ergo there would be no big difference between the goals of PL/N3 and CFC (staying in the Halloween War example) ?

greetings

PS:
PL seems to still exist under that name
CFC changed its name i assume?
and what is N3 called?
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2016-11-20 18:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Durncan Vance wrote:


PL seems to still exist under that name
CFC changed its name i assume?
and what is N3 called?

CFC is now rebranded as 'the Imperium' but in a much leaner scaled down coalition than what the CFC was at it's height.

N3 is ancient history in Eve terms. The major entities were all aligned recently within the 'Money Badger' coalition which evicted the Goons from the north, but that is already largely passed tense now.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-11-20 18:08:03 UTC
You'll find all the propaganda you can handle here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/
Search the sub for '[propaganda]'.
Although most of the recent stuff is focused on the current headline war between Co2/Test v NC/Pan fam.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Memphis Baas
#6 - 2016-11-20 18:13:04 UTC
EVE is a game, so their "will" is to play the game / win the game / control their space / brag and appear to be the best.

For examples of propaganda you should check Reddit.

Metagaming means playing a game from the outside, the opposite of roleplaying. To give an example with Chess, you can pretend that there are two armies who are about to fight each other, and attempt to capture the enemy king. This roleplaying.

Or, you can play a game of chess looking at all the moves and traps in books published by chess experts, and maybe if you're in a chess tournament where if you lose this chess match you get an easier opponent the next match and maybe win the tournament easier, so you lose this match on purpose. That's metagaming.

For EVE, alliances start wars because their members are bored and/or looking to do some PVP. In-game, they have various reasons (they insulted us, whatever), but in reality the wars happen because it's a game about PVP wars, so that's metagaming.
Durncan Vance
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-11-20 18:30:24 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Metagaming means playing a game from the outside, the opposite of roleplaying. To give an example with Chess, you can pretend that there are two armies who are about to fight each other, and attempt to capture the enemy king. This roleplaying.

Or, you can play a game of chess looking at all the moves and traps in books published by chess experts, and maybe if you're in a chess tournament where if you lose this chess match you get an easier opponent the next match and maybe win the tournament easier, so you lose this match on purpose. That's metagaming.


Thanks for the explanation,
so it is posiible to compare it to politics in the real world i guess (wich is good for me and my thesis :D )

Memphis Baas wrote:
EVE is a game, so their "will" is to play the game / win the game / control their space / brag and appear to be the best.
[...]
For EVE, alliances start wars because their members are bored and/or looking to do some PVP. In-game, they have various reasons (they insulted us, whatever), but in reality the wars happen because it's a game about PVP wars, so that's metagaming.


Sure, players join the Game for various reasons and look for an corp, in their favor. I do, however, belive, that there could be a motivation behind this organised war ingame aswell. And i belive it can be analysed by the social status of the coalition within the Game or the outside Politics. This is the reason i am curious about the goals of the coalitions. I think if one coalition is interested mostly in economics, they will fight for different reasons than a coalition who sees their main profit in protection money.
Therefore it is important for me to know, what interests these coaltions had in the Halloween War for example.

greetings, and again, thanks for the answers :)
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-11-20 18:53:20 UTC
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Empires-EVE-History-Great-Online-ebook/dp/B01DONPR0M
Also relevant to your interest.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2016-11-20 18:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Durncan Vance wrote:
1.: How is the structure of an average coalition? Does it have coorperations for each job?
e.g. one for military, one for mining etc, or does every coorperation has its own segments of military, mining etc

Structure of corporations / alliances / coalitions vary.

Generally speaking... the larger they are, the more organized (and anal retentive) they are.

In terms of "jobs" or "specialities"... that is set by the players themselves.
Mechanically, there is no difference between a corporation / alliance that is dedicated to PvP or one that is dedicated to PvE / industry / logistics.

Players can choose what they wish to do in a corporation / alliance as long as it ties in to what the overall corporation / alliance wants to do.
This means that even if you choose an industry / logistics path, you can contribute to a PvP-centric organization (and vice versa). You simply have to convince others that you are worth their time and/or won't be a burden (note: this takes time and trust building).


A better question is; what kind of attitude / mentality are you looking for in a corporation alliance?
If you can find people that operate in a manner that you are comfortable with or even like... then it doesn't really matter what the particulars of the corporation are.

After all... even the most hardened PvP player has to PvE and/or do industry / logistics. And even the most carebearish player needs to understand some of the basics of PvP and have a few combat vessels on standby.


Durncan Vance wrote:
2.: Are there typical types of Coalitions?
e.g. Headhunters, Miners, Explorers or do all coalitions just plan to gain influence on the Universe?

Since I plan to include B-r5rb into my thesis I am also interested in the history of the Halloween War ( i wasnt able to find more information about the reason for this war) and the involved coorperations.

See above for the answer.

Durncan Vance wrote:
3.:
How does the metagaming of War work? I read something about propaganda, but wasn't able to identify it.
is there an good example for propaganda (maybe from the halloween war)?

Meta-gaming is... well... let us put it this way:

As in any war, morale of your own people and the morale of one's opponents does matter.
If morale is high and people are excited and energized... they will log in to the game more and perform better during operations. If people are pessimistic, they will log in less and do stuff that may be less than helpful for the war effort (like moving their stuff to a "safer location" when they should be out in the field patrolling or guarding chokepoints).

Here is a good example of "propaganda" from Goonswarm crica 2011: https://youtu.be/fVX6xaMr-YU
And an article that talks about propaganda in EVE: http://www.zam.com/article/343/how-propaganda-is-part-of-eve-onlines-latest-big-war


Spying is another meta-game tactic. Roll an alternate character that is unaffiliated with your main character and organization, join the enemy's organization, infiltrate their intel channels and/or industrial/logistics groups, and then relay information back to your guys and/or sabotage it (ex: feed bad information and rumors, identify potential targets "behind the lines," steal stuff, etc).

Sometimes, mere rumors of a spy being in an organization (even when there isn't one) is enough to make people lose their minds and cause a collapse in the internal cohesion of a group.
For example:
"ARE YOU A SPY?!?!"
"No."
"I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!"
"I am telling you, I am not-"

*player is kicked from the corporation*
*player turned out to be the guy who knew where to source cheap ships and equipment*



Some other things that affect morale include, but are not limited to:

- keeping a player in the HQ system of your enemies to make them think someone is always watching (even when they aren't)
- smacktalking in local chat
- "hit and run" surprise attacks to keep one's enemies "off balance" and weary
- "suicide squads" of players in cheap ships that attack an expensive structure and/or ship
- "blue balling" an enemy fleet (see: pretending that you are going to attack, then avoiding direct engagement and leaving after the enemy has spent time, energy, and resources to organize and counter you).

The list goes on.
Durncan Vance
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-11-22 13:43:02 UTC
That is a very usefull colection of answers! (thats a thanks again :) )

There is only one Aspekt left, and i would be happy if someone could helpe mith that.

What was the reason for the Halloween war, and what image did the involved Coalitions had in the Universe at that moment?


greetings