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Raka Tokila
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2016-10-10 23:38:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Raka Tokila

  • in a station or outpost you can kill your current clone and 'teleport' back to your medical clone station with a button in the cloning services menu, that is not possible in citadels
  • repair services in citadels are still missing
  • insurance services in citadels are still missing
  • citadels don't show up in the autopilot search menu (click the autopilot 'A', type in the system, get a list of possible systems & stations, but not for citadels)
  • undocking from a citadel doesn't refresh your Personal Assets window (like undocking from a station or jumping)
  • remote repackaging (including ships) is not possible in citadels (through the Personal Assets window)
  • remote trashing is not possible in citadels (through the Personal Assets window)
  • remote contracting of stuff in citadels is not possible in citadels you don't have docking access for
  • you can deliver assets to a capsuleer in a citadel that the capsuleer has no access rights to not an issue since you can use asset safety to get the stuff out


those last 3 points lead to the fact that if you have something delivered to you in a citadel you don't have access to you can't get rid of the stuff and it will clutter your Personal Assets window forever™ you can use asset safety
Lugh Crow-Slave
#2 - 2016-10-11 03:42:50 UTC
and taxing compression



as for clutter doesn't asset safety let you transfer things out of citadels you no longer have access to?

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Raka Tokila
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2016-10-11 10:07:42 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
as for clutter doesn't asset safety let you transfer things out of citadels you no longer have access to?


I just found an option, not in the right click menu for the item, but in the right click menu for the citadel, so it is possible to evacuate all your stuff that you have stuck in a citadel you ( no longer | don't ) have access to.
Ras Blumin
A Cross The Universe
#4 - 2016-10-13 07:33:45 UTC
More:

- No noob ships.
- Cannot make sell or buy orders remotely. This is pretty annoying for multi-region traders. If we can dock, we should be able to buy/sell without going there imo.
- Cannot jump clone away from a citadel without a clone bay service (this might be intentional though).
Raka Tokila
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2016-11-20 03:55:45 UTC
- remote "View Contents" for Ships (and other containers?) isn't working, when the ships are in a citadel
Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
#6 - 2016-11-20 09:14:15 UTC
  • repair services in citadels are still missing

    • Ships, drones and heat damage are repaired for free while tethered, so I doubt many people would use a repair service in a citadel unless they're somewhat in a hurry.
    Doesn't render your point invalid, just makes it less pressing maybe.
    Rivr Luzade
    Coreli Corporation
    Pandemic Legion
    #7 - 2016-11-20 09:41:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
    Violet Hurst wrote:
  • repair services in citadels are still missing

    • Ships, drones and heat damage are repaired for free while tethered, so I doubt many people would use a repair service in a citadel unless they're somewhat in a hurry.
    Doesn't render your point invalid, just makes it less pressing maybe.

    Which is one of the more annoying features of citadels. Every mod that you have not fitted or that is in your cargo does not get repaired. You have to fit every damaged module/drone to the ship in order to get them repaired. Furthermore, repairs take an awful lot of time. Even if you are not in a hurry, you waste time just sitting there waiting for your ship/drones/modules to repair, as well as to regenerate your capacitor after a capital jump. Outposts and stations are a lot more convenient in that regard. There is no logical reason why a ship docked in a massive station with massive energy generators should not have its capacitor automatically and instantly recharged.

    - Why are we seeing the Upwell Logo hologram and not the alliance/corp logo hologram of the holder alliance/corp for that structure? Since TCUs can display these holograms already, there should be no technical reasons preventing this on Citadels.

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    Danika Princip
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    #8 - 2016-11-20 11:56:46 UTC
    Violet Hurst wrote:
  • repair services in citadels are still missing

    • Ships, drones and heat damage are repaired for free while tethered, so I doubt many people would use a repair service in a citadel unless they're somewhat in a hurry.
    Doesn't render your point invalid, just makes it less pressing maybe.


    Tethering doesn't help when you have unfitted damaged modules. loot, for example. A repair service is needed just for that sort of thing.
    Daichi Yamato
    Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
    #9 - 2016-11-20 12:39:07 UTC
    Something i recently discovered was that you cannot change your medical clones home station unless you have access to a citadels cloning services. Not even to an npc station in high. So if you want to leave null you can't just undock and suicide because you spawn back in the citadel. Best solution I've come up with is having to fly to npc null and if you get killed on the way you have to start all over again.

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    Raka Tokila
    Pandemic Horde Inc.
    Pandemic Horde
    #10 - 2016-11-21 14:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Raka Tokila
    Daichi Yamato wrote:
    Something i recently discovered was that you cannot change your medical clones home station unless you have access to a citadels cloning services. Not even to an npc station in high. So if you want to leave null you can't just undock and suicide because you spawn back in the citadel. Best solution I've come up with is having to fly to npc null and if you get killed on the way you have to start all over again.


    you should always be able to set your medical clone to your home (school) station by looking for that station through people&places search function, then clicking "Set Home Station" in the Right-Click-Menu of the station

    (not that it would change the point you made)
    Ralph King-Griffin
    New Eden Tech Support
    #11 - 2016-11-21 20:02:38 UTC
    Alliances should have to pay the owner of a citadel to advertise in their hangars.

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    Raka Tokila
    Pandemic Horde Inc.
    Pandemic Horde
    #12 - 2016-11-26 16:21:06 UTC
    When repairing while in tether range, drone HP will not be updated until you launch & scoop them
    Rivr Luzade
    Coreli Corporation
    Pandemic Legion
    #13 - 2016-11-26 21:36:05 UTC
    Selling something remotely is not possible either. Much to my dismay I learned that today...

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    Brigadine Ferathine
    Presumed Dead Enterprises
    Against ALL Authorities.
    #14 - 2016-11-28 00:15:22 UTC
    Raka Tokila wrote:

    • in a station or outpost you can kill your current clone and 'teleport' back to your medical clone station with a button in the cloning services menu, that is not possible in citadels
    • repair services in citadels are still missing
    • insurance services in citadels are still missing
    • citadels don't show up in the autopilot search menu (click the autopilot 'A', type in the system, get a list of possible systems & stations, but not for citadels)
    • undocking from a citadel doesn't refresh your Personal Assets window (like undocking from a station or jumping)
    • remote repackaging (including ships) is not possible in citadels (through the Personal Assets window)
    • remote trashing is not possible in citadels (through the Personal Assets window)
    • remote contracting of stuff in citadels is not possible in citadels you don't have docking access for
    • you can deliver assets to a capsuleer in a citadel that the capsuleer has no access rights to not an issue since you can use asset safety to get the stuff out


    those last 3 points lead to the fact that if you have something delivered to you in a citadel you don't have access to you can't get rid of the stuff and it will clutter your Personal Assets window forever™     you can use asset safety

    Also, there needs to be the ability to have service fees sent to the owner(not corp). It is my understanding it isn't even possible to break out in the corp taxes/fees sheet what came from an individual citadel. That means theres no way for CEOs or whoever to send isk earned to the owner. its a load of crap.
    Lugh Crow-Slave
    #15 - 2016-11-28 04:02:42 UTC
    Better access lists for FW and in general

    let us white-list/blacklist militias and NPC corps/factions

    BLOPS Hauler
    The 16.8km Bubble
    Templewood Terrinsbar
    AntiMacro Decimation
    #16 - 2016-11-29 07:44:03 UTC
    Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

    Also, there needs to be the ability to have service fees sent to the owner(not corp). It is my understanding it isn't even possible to break out in the corp taxes/fees sheet what came from an individual citadel. That means theres no way for CEOs or whoever to send isk earned to the owner. its a load of crap.


    Maybe it's just me, but I was under the impression, that Citadel's like Outposts and POS Towers were "Owned" and "Setup" by people for the Corporation that they were a member of.. Not for the individual themselves. If your corp wants to give "dividends" to a player based on a citadel they setup, that's not supported by the systems in place. it's not necessarily a bad idea.. but I don't know that I would expect CCP to make that change...
    Brigadine Ferathine
    Presumed Dead Enterprises
    Against ALL Authorities.
    #17 - 2016-11-29 07:47:46 UTC
    Templewood Terrinsbar wrote:
    Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

    Also, there needs to be the ability to have service fees sent to the owner(not corp). It is my understanding it isn't even possible to break out in the corp taxes/fees sheet what came from an individual citadel. That means theres no way for CEOs or whoever to send isk earned to the owner. its a load of crap.


    Maybe it's just me, but I was under the impression, that Citadel's like Outposts and POS Towers were "Owned" and "Setup" by people for the Corporation that they were a member of.. Not for the individual themselves. If your corp wants to give "dividends" to a player based on a citadel they setup, that's not supported by the systems in place. it's not necessarily a bad idea.. but I don't know that I would expect CCP to make that change...

    I see what you are saying. One could make an argument that structure running could be a profession.
    Lugh Crow-Slave
    #18 - 2016-11-29 07:48:59 UTC
    Templewood Terrinsbar wrote:
    Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

    Also, there needs to be the ability to have service fees sent to the owner(not corp). It is my understanding it isn't even possible to break out in the corp taxes/fees sheet what came from an individual citadel. That means theres no way for CEOs or whoever to send isk earned to the owner. its a load of crap.


    Maybe it's just me, but I was under the impression, that Citadel's like Outposts and POS Towers were "Owned" and "Setup" by people for the Corporation that they were a member of.. Not for the individual themselves. If your corp wants to give "dividends" to a player based on a citadel they setup, that's not supported by the systems in place. it's not necessarily a bad idea.. but I don't know that I would expect CCP to make that change...



    however keeping things strait by having citadel revenue sent to the "citadel revenue" division(or what ever you name that division) would be a huge help for organization

    BLOPS Hauler
    The 16.8km Bubble
    Brigadine Ferathine
    Presumed Dead Enterprises
    Against ALL Authorities.
    #19 - 2016-11-29 07:50:55 UTC
    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
    Templewood Terrinsbar wrote:
    Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

    Also, there needs to be the ability to have service fees sent to the owner(not corp). It is my understanding it isn't even possible to break out in the corp taxes/fees sheet what came from an individual citadel. That means theres no way for CEOs or whoever to send isk earned to the owner. its a load of crap.


    Maybe it's just me, but I was under the impression, that Citadel's like Outposts and POS Towers were "Owned" and "Setup" by people for the Corporation that they were a member of.. Not for the individual themselves. If your corp wants to give "dividends" to a player based on a citadel they setup, that's not supported by the systems in place. it's not necessarily a bad idea.. but I don't know that I would expect CCP to make that change...



    however keeping things strait by having citadel revenue sent to the "citadel revenue" division(or what ever you name that division) would be a huge help for organization

    ^^ this. The next best thing to direct deposit.
    Templewood Terrinsbar
    AntiMacro Decimation
    #20 - 2016-11-29 08:41:52 UTC
    Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:


    however keeping things strait by having citadel revenue sent to the "citadel revenue" division(or what ever you name that division) would be a huge help for organization


    I could see that... And I don't think it would take too much code wise.. but not having access to the Eve Source Code... I could be wrong on that...
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