EVE General Discussion

It's become dull and predictable with many PVP mechanics geared towards fight instead of flight. This itself has created risk aversion because once a player has been locked down there isn't much they can to do to survive. With players who want to provide engagement in Eve, they are sadly losing interest because "where is the engagement in not being able to survive".

I don't know what the solution is but the solution has to be for players to be able to survive if the situation changes. Back before they introduced Scramblers and webs, an MWD used to help people flight, in today's game you are forced to commit and this is causing a lot of risk averse game play.

I don't know where you fly arround, but i get humiliated by good Kiters more often than i like to admit...

Youre talking about a double edged sword here. People will still not commit unless they have a good chance of losing. The more educated you are and the more you understand the odds of a fight, the more your "fun" and "joy" of playing the game amounts to "winning" and not playing it well, the more you will understand what fights you should take to always "win" and run away from those you will not. This is the basis for risk aversion in humanity even out of game.

Ironically the people that stay in eve and evolve and HTFU and learn, have learned just these lessons. In this case the more you know....

The idea of jumping blindly into trouble, the gate camp, was the first way to ensure "surprise buttsecs!!" as we have come to call it. The advent of knowledge through websites, intel, etc gave us the ability to scout out routes and things before hand and led to less and less "surprises." Then CCP added cynos and blops to create surprise encounters. Then baiting, flipping and orca/bowhead hot swaps or reshipping with timers running.

In Eve the unknown sells tickets, gets the blood running and floods your poor brain with endorphins and adrenaline until your high as a kite. And no matter how long or how much you hate it youre coming back for this high. You are hooked, a junkie. There is no rehab.




























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Amamake..... top belt. Ill be there.

PVP mechanics SHOULD be geared towards fighting by its nature.

You can be as risk averse as you want, but you'll still get popped by those who want to engage. And there are plenty who are engaging.

In any engagement, someone usually does not survive...which is precisely why there is such a rush involved. Will I survive? How can that be boring.

Granted...you gotta undock to experience it.

Lots of good points that are anti climax.

For a start I would remove warp disrupters and scramblers and webs from the game and give more ways for people to set up their ships. The intention would be to be able to protect the systems that lets some one warp rather than some crap ass outdated mechanic tying someone to a grid.

At the same token I would give more ways for people to combat said defenses rather than chewing through someones shields, then armour then hull..... The challenge shouldn't be this, it should be stopping the target from getting away, and I don't mean fitting warp core stablizers.

It basically comes down to giving people more ways to play and engage in the game because for me the game has become very dull and keeps going in totally different directions to what the research tells you they want from an MMORPG. And the result of that is now a game going down the route of F2P which itself sends the message that if it's F2P there is no value/engagment in the game.

This, a thousand times this. All the PVP'ers I know are well-enough versed in many aspects of PVE in order to get the upper hand on PVE'ers, not to mention making money for PVP as well. People who only PVE at the expense of learning any aspects of PVP are only restricting themselves, though. By lacking an understanding, they make themselves easy prey. The easiest, actually.

Yeah, you get ganged banged once or twice (Lost a Dominix, Brutix, Armageddon, and some other rather high end stuff along the way but there are defensive tactics against all that (complex, not going into them here) and sooner or later you tweak the flight/fight instinct to the point where you know when to hold them or when to fold them, and most of the time it's fold and run. I'm not a PvP drama queen, I get as much or more satisfaction out of operating in null or low sec and getting out alive with my mission accomplished as I do making kills. My corps have made relatively few kills compared to the fighters, and some of those have been accidental. In one unfortunate encounter where I got reamed I'd apparently killed a Vexor, but didn't know about it until a week or so later when I was going through my combat logs.

So no, let's not change all that. Besides, with their ever more massive releases what ever you don't like will, in time, change, along with what you do like.

A healthy risk aversion is a good thing. As long as it doesn't keep you from playing the game. If it does, then maybe EVE is not your game.

The art and the fun in EVE is to fly close along that line between success and disaster and not cross it. In RL it can have harsh consequences if you do, in EVE it's just isk.

Remiel and Mara.... stahp saying intelligent things!!

Not gonna quote them both but yes this, what he/she said.