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Maekchu
Doomheim
#21 - 2016-11-18 17:13:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
... and runs to the forum to complain, just to be told how badly he/she is doing it.

But Jenn, you know this is the only option. Everything else would require too much effort :D
nugina
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2016-11-18 17:36:48 UTC
Lilith deMorta wrote:

Second Nerf: boost themselves they now cost between 4k to 8k each. And the best part is it cycles twice per one cycle of the strip miners.


It is possible to set the command burst so that it doesn't auto repeat - then you manually activate the module every 120 seconds just as the boost is about to expire. Sure it's a bit more work, but that is the whole point of the update - give boosters something to do.

It's early days but running a maxed boost orca and couple of maxed hulks seems to give about 20% increase in yield compared to my old way of working. There are lots of interdependent factors...

> reduced orca hauling trips (approx double hold capacity overall)
> increased orca drone mining
> hulk changes

The fleet is now a little more complex to manage - but the increased return is definitely worth it.

I don't have real numbers as I haven't gone in to that level of detail - just rough comparisons of what I could mine in an hour pre and post updates.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-11-18 19:21:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The only thing reduced is the tanking ability, miners seem to overlook this though.
Tanking ability is pretty much the same, possibly slightly better if you're referring to the recent change that normalized 2 strips for every barge. The only way it's worse is if you try using that extra low for yield on the Hulk, but then again if you don't you did actually get a yield nerf.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2016-11-18 20:14:07 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The only thing reduced is the tanking ability, miners seem to overlook this though.
Tanking ability is pretty much the same, possibly slightly better if you're referring to the recent change that normalized 2 strips for every barge. The only way it's worse is if you try using that extra low for yield on the Hulk, but then again if you don't you did actually get a yield nerf.


They reduced CPU/powergrid room. Lots of people ignore the drawback on the mining upgrades so think they have a lot more room than they actually have. New hulk needs a fitting mod/rig to use its mids.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2016-11-18 20:30:08 UTC
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
If you're trying to semi-afk mine in the background while getting work done you should consider something other than a hulk which requires so much attention.

Good news is that the Orca ore hold is much bigger so you won't have to haul so often. Bad news is between super mining Rorqual's and alpha miners ore values may decline.







Alphas are limited to a sub par fit venture that takes like... what 11-12 minutes to fill maxed out. Usually around 15ish+ on what I actually had trained on this new guy.

No alpha is gonna compete with any hulk or orca in the game and lol at alphas having any effect on the ore market whatsoever.
Took me like an hour to do one jetcan worth of rich plagioclase with a venture and made 300 compressed blocks I go to the market and first number I see is like 12500 compressed blocks and 20000 under that for sell orders and then buy orders are up to 100k at 6150 a block. I sold my measly 300 for 7700 there later that night. Cause the big orders were selling for 8800-9000 a piece

I have no impact on anything lol
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-11-18 20:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
baltec1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The only thing reduced is the tanking ability, miners seem to overlook this though.
Tanking ability is pretty much the same, possibly slightly better if you're referring to the recent change that normalized 2 strips for every barge. The only way it's worse is if you try using that extra low for yield on the Hulk, but then again if you don't you did actually get a yield nerf.


They reduced CPU/powergrid room. Lots of people ignore the drawback on the mining upgrades so think they have a lot more room than they actually have. New hulk needs a fitting mod/rig to use its mids.
That reasoning is a bit backwards, they reduced the CPU by less than a single, 0 MLU strip miner. So basically you lost a mod using 60+ TF, but only lost 50TF (40TF base + skills) fitting room. That means if you left the lowslot alone you had the same tank, less yield per the nerf, an additional ~10+ TF leftover CPU over prior and an empty lowslot.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#27 - 2016-11-18 20:48:47 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
I obtained a Porpoise to add to my fleet. I haven't tried it out yet




So what's it's Porpoise?

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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#28 - 2016-11-18 21:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadget Helmsdottir
Bumblefck wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
I obtained a Porpoise to add to my fleet. I haven't tried it out yet




So what's it's Porpoise?


Why, to explode, of course.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2016-11-18 21:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The only thing reduced is the tanking ability, miners seem to overlook this though.
Tanking ability is pretty much the same, possibly slightly better if you're referring to the recent change that normalized 2 strips for every barge. The only way it's worse is if you try using that extra low for yield on the Hulk, but then again if you don't you did actually get a yield nerf.


They reduced CPU/powergrid room. Lots of people ignore the drawback on the mining upgrades so think they have a lot more room than they actually have. New hulk needs a fitting mod/rig to use its mids.
That reasoning is a bit backwards, they reduced the CPU by less than a single, 0 MLU strip miner. So basically you lost a mod using 60+ TF, but only lost 50TF (40TF base + skills) fitting room. That means if you left the lowslot alone you had the same tank, less yield per the nerf, an additional ~10+ TF leftover CPU over prior and an empty lowslot.


Well used to be you could fit a 34k tank while sporting an MLU and rockscanner. Todays Hulk has issues, granted not nearly as bad as the covetor.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-11-18 21:19:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
baltec1 wrote:
Well used to be you could fit a 34k tank while sporting an MLU and rockscanner. Todays Hulk has issues, granted not nearly as bad as the covetor.
What was the fit? Also did that include links? Even ignoring CPU, with 1 low, 3 mids and both rigs I'm not able to pull a 34k omni tank, but that could just be me doing it wrong.

I an using T2 at best so if you're going faction that could be it as well.

Edit: Forgot to mention the EHP number: 32.5K with heat.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#31 - 2016-11-18 21:47:24 UTC
I bought 2 different cases of water at 2 different prices because I intended to do some math on volumes vs price to see which was really better, but never got around to it.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Simon Hashur
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2016-11-18 21:52:55 UTC
pre- update, a fully boosted orca (with the pilot having the mindlink implant) supporting a T2 yield fit hulk with the pilot having the MX-1005 implant, the hulks yield was:-

turret cycle time - 69.9s
turret yield - 1924m3

1924 / 69.9 = 27.52m3/s
27.52 x 60 = 1651m3/min
1651 x 2 = 3303m3/min

post update, with the T2 range/cycle time command bursts, the hulks yield is now:-

turret cycle time - 61.5x
turret yield - 1673ms

1673 / 61.5 = 27.20m3/s
27.20 x 60 = 1632mx
1632 x 2 = 3264m3/min

so yes, the new command burst system has slightly nerfed mining yield for barges/exhumers (unless i'm missing a skill somewhere!!)

however, the mining drone bonus that the orca now has could add over 900m3/min to that with 5 x T2 mining drones (if you were sat right on top of the 'roid they're mining!!)

there's a lot more micro-managing involved now but, i'm getting an extra 20-30km3 per 45min sessions (gotta take a break every now and then P )

tip - right click-> turn off auto-repeat on your command burst modules and watch the blue icon on your miner. re-activate 'bursts just before it runs out
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2016-11-18 21:54:07 UTC
Lilith deMorta wrote:
One of the few things I have enjoyed over the years of playing Eve is mining. I know it sounds weird but I always have other things going on in the background that keep me busy in RL. I have run two account now for the better part of 6 years. One Orca pilot one Hulk pilot I have survived more gank attempts than I can remember, Now I am faced with the fact that CCP has nerfed the hulk and mining as a whole once again.

How did they nerf it? Well lets see they took one high slot away from the hulk which dropped its mining speed by about 30% even with t2 drones out. That is with full boosts and max skills.

Second Nerf: boost themselves they now cost between 4k to 8k each. And the best part is it cycles twice per one cycle of the strip miners.

So I am losing more money now in a field that does not make near as much as pretty much any other type of play. And before you say that it is "safe' play. Look at the kill broads. Mining ships make most of all the kills in the Eve universe.

Cya laters everyone it has been nice flying with you.


What is it about mining that attracts people who are terrible at arithmetic?

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Penance Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2016-11-18 22:34:40 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
What is it about mining that attracts people who are terrible at arithmetic?


What it is about mining posts that attract Larry, Moe and Curley to Stooge Post? Maybe you could write another law.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#35 - 2016-11-18 23:22:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The only thing reduced is the tanking ability, miners seem to overlook this though.


Not for long ...
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-11-18 23:29:56 UTC
Lilith deMorta wrote:

Cya laters everyone it has been nice flying with you.

Sad Sorry to see you go. Can I have your stuff, pretty please?



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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#37 - 2016-11-18 23:36:23 UTC
"Nerfed mining", lol. Just wait for the next monthly economic report to reveal the asteroid genocide that has commenced.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2016-11-18 23:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Well used to be you could fit a 34k tank while sporting an MLU and rockscanner. Todays Hulk has issues, granted not nearly as bad as the covetor.
What was the fit? Also did that include links? Even ignoring CPU, with 1 low, 3 mids and both rigs I'm not able to pull a 34k omni tank, but that could just be me doing it wrong.

I an using T2 at best so if you're going faction that could be it as well.

Edit: Forgot to mention the EHP number: 32.5K with heat.


This was back in the ice interdictions, before CCP changed the barges the first time. They used to be called supertank hulks.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2016-11-19 00:44:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Well used to be you could fit a 34k tank while sporting an MLU and rockscanner. Todays Hulk has issues, granted not nearly as bad as the covetor.
What was the fit? Also did that include links? Even ignoring CPU, with 1 low, 3 mids and both rigs I'm not able to pull a 34k omni tank, but that could just be me doing it wrong.

I an using T2 at best so if you're going faction that could be it as well.

Edit: Forgot to mention the EHP number: 32.5K with heat.


This was back in the ice interdictions, before CCP changed the barges the first time. They used to be called supertank hulks.
Ah, ok, we're talking pre teiricide. In that case isn't the answer "fly a skiff" now? Beyond that I can't really say because I never mined extensively back then.

On a side note I don't think I've even had a serious mining ship under 50k EHP so maybe I'm doing it wrong.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2016-11-19 00:46:48 UTC
Do you really enjoy mining though if you're off doing something else while your PC does the mining?

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