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New Eden Trade Group in need of loans
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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#1 - 2016-11-17 00:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
I'm going to keep this short and simple because i expect to just get flamed like in the past regardless, despite our track record, see the link below:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=244221&find=unread

We are seeking uncollateralize loans, willing to pay 4% monthly

We need the money to replenish our depleted liquid isk pool for buy orders, vets are logging back in and selling their ****.


Public Cannel: New Eden Trade Group

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-11-17 16:58:44 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
I'm going to keep this short and simple because i expect to just get flamed like in the past regardless, despite our track record, see the link below:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=244221&find=unread

We are seeking uncollateralize loans, willing to pay 4% monthly

We need the money to replenish our depleted liquid isk pool for buy orders, vets are logging back in and selling their ****.


Public Cannel: New Eden Trade Group


If your buy orders are being fulfilled, shouldn't you have a lot of items that you can offer as collateral?
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#3 - 2016-11-17 17:10:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
You appear to have upset someone, could you shed any light on what may have happened, if anything has, between you two? They've been posting lots of similar comments on your character's Eve Who profiles under several different names.

https://evewho.com/pilot/The+Peter+North

I contacted the real Hanna Fields who said they haven't done any business with you (http://i.imgur.com/ckHus6K.png).

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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#4 - 2016-11-17 19:54:49 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
I'm going to keep this short and simple because i expect to just get flamed like in the past regardless, despite our track record, see the link below:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=244221&find=unread

We are seeking uncollateralize loans, willing to pay 4% monthly

We need the money to replenish our depleted liquid isk pool for buy orders, vets are logging back in and selling their ****.


Public Cannel: New Eden Trade Group


If your buy orders are being fulfilled, shouldn't you have a lot of items that you can offer as collateral?



Yup

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#5 - 2016-11-17 19:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: The Fukuzawa
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
You appear to have upset someone, could you shed any light on what may have happened, if anything has, between you two? They've been posting lots of similar comments on your character's Eve Who profiles under several different names.

https://evewho.com/pilot/The+Peter+North

I contacted the real Hanna Fields who said they haven't done any business with you (http://i.imgur.com/ckHus6K.png).



We have not worked with anyone who has ever posted something negative about us, we hold up our end of the deal always. Just another example of someone without any evidence accusing us of scamming. We have never scammed anyone and never will, the reputation of being legit is far more valuable.


Haters are gunna hate

It would be nice if just one of the thousands of accusers over the years would post an API proving they were scammed, but that's too much to ask

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#6 - 2016-11-18 00:40:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
But why do they hate you? You must have an idea of who it can be, I'm assuming all the comments left on most of your characters 11 days ago were the same person.

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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#7 - 2016-11-18 02:18:56 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
But why do they hate you? You must have an idea of who it can be, I'm assuming all the comments left on most of your characters 11 days ago were the same person.



We are dicks to people.

If I had to guess it is a CEO or higher up in one of the many merc groups who have war decced us hoping for some low hanging fruit. Typically we reach out to them, and negotiate I price to end the war dec. We draw this out as long as possible, wasting as much of their time as possible while doing market things, and **** tease them with a high payment to end the dec, and then at the last moment possible switch gears on them and start pushing for them to invest into our corp, and send ads to all memebers until all NETG toons are blocked, or the war dec ends.

If I had to guess it would be due to this.

But who knows

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#8 - 2016-11-18 08:14:26 UTC
Nice to see your PR skills haven't improved since last time.

If you want to see different results when trying to raise money here, you might want to approach it differently.

A bit of charm wouldn't go amiss, or simply being polite, but most of all it's probably a bad idea to open with defensive statements and links to shill threads.

You really cannot expect 4% uncollateralised loans from MD when your track record here has been a total trainwreck. Only those with impeccable reputations are able to raise isk at that rate.
Natalia Petronovska
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-11-18 11:00:32 UTC
So I am assuming what he is asking for is bad?
Zad Murrard
Frozen Dawn Inc
Frozen Dawn Alliance
#10 - 2016-11-18 12:35:21 UTC
Natalia Petronovska wrote:
So I am assuming what he is asking for is bad?


In general asking for a loan is not bad. In order to get a loan your job is to make people believe that they will get their money back.

The risk is usually mitigated by the party asking for the loan in the form of collateral which is given for the duration of the loan either to a trusted 3rd party or to the person giving the loan.

One has to be highly trusted if he/she wants to loan money without offering any collateral.
Bad Bobby here was pointing that The Fukuzawa has not earned such trust.

The facts are that
1) The Fukuzawa confirms here in post ~4 that he would have items to offer as collateral.... but he chose not (post 1). This raises an alarm flag.
2) He lacks good reputation. Second flag.
3) Someone has written some interesting comments about him in evewho. Third flag.

=> Total result is that people do not believe they would ever get their ISK back once loaned
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#11 - 2016-11-18 13:06:06 UTC
This is going as expected hahahaha

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Xayder
modro
The Initiative.
#12 - 2016-11-18 13:59:16 UTC
I just thought about this Phaser Inc. investement

yeah that was a good one

I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main
RAW23
#13 - 2016-11-18 14:34:16 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:


It would be nice if just one of the thousands of accusers over the years would post an API proving they were scammed, but that's too much to ask


You've really been accused of scamming that frequently? I must confess that I find that odd as none of the legitimate investment opportunities I have worked with have ever had any significant scam accusations made against them. Why do you think your business attracts so much more of this negative attention than others do?

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those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-11-18 14:58:42 UTC
I don't know.

Maybe if you did collateralized loans this wouldn't be a problem.

I'd be willing to be a trusted 3rd party for 50 million per transaction.

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Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-11-18 17:20:39 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Solonius Rex wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
I'm going to keep this short and simple because i expect to just get flamed like in the past regardless, despite our track record, see the link below:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=244221&find=unread

We are seeking uncollateralize loans, willing to pay 4% monthly

We need the money to replenish our depleted liquid isk pool for buy orders, vets are logging back in and selling their ****.


Public Cannel: New Eden Trade Group


If your buy orders are being fulfilled, shouldn't you have a lot of items that you can offer as collateral?



Yup


So... wheres the collateral.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-11-18 17:28:28 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
This is going as expected hahahaha



Yeah.

"I have items to offer up as collateral, but i want an uncollateralized loan. Oh, and people wrote nasty things about me on EVE-Who, but please just ignore, this is totally not a scam. Emote sad face."

"This is going as expected hahahaha"

You have a keen sense.
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#17 - 2016-11-19 00:30:23 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
This is going as expected hahahaha



Yeah.

"I have items to offer up as collateral, but i want an uncollateralized loan. Oh, and people wrote nasty things about me on EVE-Who, but please just ignore, this is totally not a scam. Emote sad face."

"This is going as expected hahahaha"

You have a keen sense.



The collateral is on the market where it belongs.

No sad face sir, have borrowed hundreds of billions of isk over the years, paid all interest, returned all principle.

I challange the clowns of Market Discussion to find some concrete evidence that anyone has been scammed by NETG, since we are obviously scammers it should not be hard hahaha

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Natalia Petronovska
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-11-19 02:01:30 UTC
Zad Murrard wrote:
Natalia Petronovska wrote:
So I am assuming what he is asking for is bad?


In general asking for a loan is not bad. In order to get a loan your job is to make people believe that they will get their money back.

The risk is usually mitigated by the party asking for the loan in the form of collateral which is given for the duration of the loan either to a trusted 3rd party or to the person giving the loan.

One has to be highly trusted if he/she wants to loan money without offering any collateral.
Bad Bobby here was pointing that The Fukuzawa has not earned such trust.

The facts are that
1) The Fukuzawa confirms here in post ~4 that he would have items to offer as collateral.... but he chose not (post 1). This raises an alarm flag.
2) He lacks good reputation. Second flag.
3) Someone has written some interesting comments about him in evewho. Third flag.

=> Total result is that people do not believe they would ever get their ISK back once loaned

Ok, I can see what you are saying. I am not close in asking for or giving out loans as of yet because my market trading career is just starting, but I am slowly building my collateral (slowly is the main word).

So collateral is used to show that they can cover the cost of the loan upfront? So if the loan is defaulted, the person who loaned out the isk gets the collateral? How often has that happened?

And if it is uncollaterized, the percent of return is higher? And obviously your reputation in this game is really important, isnt it?

Damn, I have a lot to learn with this market. Way harder than WoW.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#19 - 2016-11-19 03:04:39 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
I challange the clowns of Market Discussion to find some concrete evidence that anyone has been scammed by NETG, since we are obviously scammers it should not be hard hahaha

I don't see a queue of people accusing you of being a scammer. I don't see much interest at all actually, beyond a few regulars poking you with sticks in the hope you'll entertain them by flipping out and spewing rage all over the forum.

The issue is more that you are so obnoxious and insist on asking for terms that are far outside of your ability to secure.

Most people in MD know that I'm a scammer. Can I raise money in MD at the drop of a hat? Sure I can. Because I ask nicely and offer appropriate terms.
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#20 - 2016-11-19 03:14:16 UTC
Bad Bobby wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
I challange the clowns of Market Discussion to find some concrete evidence that anyone has been scammed by NETG, since we are obviously scammers it should not be hard hahaha

I don't see a queue of people accusing you of being a scammer. I don't see much interest at all actually, beyond a few regulars poking you with sticks in the hope you'll entertain them by flipping out and spewing rage all over the forum.

The issue is more that you are so obnoxious and insist on asking for terms that are far outside of your ability to secure.

Most people in MD know that I'm a scammer. Can I raise money in MD at the drop of a hat? Sure I can. Because I ask nicely and offer appropriate terms.


There is plenty of interest bub, If what I was asking was not within my ablility I would not be asking in the first place bobby bozo Bahahahahaha

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
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