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Can't kill wormhole sleepers. Any advice?
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Solitudinem Aeternus
Multiverse Trading
#1 - 2016-11-17 15:15:10 UTC
I've been doing wormholes for a while now but have never been able to successfully clear a sleeper site. I have only ever tried C1, C2, and C3's. I'm not a particularly high-skilled flyer, but recently upgraded from a Drake to a Raven. Everybody said should be able to do C1s in a battlecruiser but no luck for me, and now no luck with a battleship. Still have not been able to clear a site, and wondering if it's just a lack of skill points, the wrong tactics and fit, or a combination of issues.

Most recently (just now) tried a Forgotten Frontier Quarantine Outpost. Here is the first wave:

* 3x Awakened Preserver (Trigger) (Kill 2 of these first to eliminate incredible sleeper repping!!!)
* 6x Emergent Defender

Wasn't able to clear it after 2 attempts, had to warp out. One issue I had was, I couldn't even get to the awakened preservers to kill them - they kite too fast. I went back to the station after the first attempt and dropped the heavy stasis grappler so I could add a microwarpdrive to try and catch the awakened preservers. But this didn't work because I was webbed by the frigs and could go nowhere. I think I got a single frig down halfway before having to run away again.

Here was the latest fit I used. Any help, recommendations, tips, etc. appreciated.

[Raven]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II
Damage Control I

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster
Heavy Stasis Grappler I
Kinetic Deflection Field II
EM Ward Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier I

'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
Core Probe Launcher I

Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Brown Pathfinder
Black Spot on Parchment
#2 - 2016-11-17 15:48:37 UTC
Solitudinem A!

For Drake fit for c1-C2 wh pve check this one out. Might want to replace medium micro jump drive with target painter or missile guidance computer with scripts.
Drake c2 pve
also this blod has a few ideas that can help you out.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#3 - 2016-11-18 09:01:04 UTC
Solitudinem Aeternus wrote:

Most recently (just now) tried a Forgotten Frontier Quarantine Outpost. Here is the first wave:

* 3x Awakened Preserver (Trigger) (Kill 2 of these first to eliminate incredible sleeper repping!!!)
* 6x Emergent Defender

Wasn't able to clear it after 2 attempts, had to warp out. One issue I had was, I couldn't even get to the awakened preservers to kill them - they kite too fast. I went back to the station after the first attempt and dropped the heavy stasis grappler so I could add a microwarpdrive to try and catch the awakened preservers. But this didn't work because I was webbed by the frigs and could go nowhere. I think I got a single frig down halfway before having to run away again.



Well just be glad that you did not get past that wave, the later waves are much harder.

Rapid Heavies should have a Range of 60K so i think that you skills are a bit low. Normally Preserver Cruisers don't orbit pasta that.

C1-2 should be doable in a BC, that drake listed above should work just fine just remember to get close the BS's and burn around them with the AB to keep the DPS down (C2s).

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also this blod has a few ideas that can help you out.


Those BS fits seem to be a bit light on Tank for a BS in a C3, They might have trouble with some sites (Outpost last wave mostly and any Data/Relic), Defiantly not workable with very low skills (Personal and Character).

If you get our skills up and earn a bit of ISK a Active Tank Rattlesnake is a beast for C3s, making 150-200mil/H solo is pretty eack
Solitudinem Aeternus
Multiverse Trading
#4 - 2016-11-18 09:37:27 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:

Rapid Heavies should have a Range of 60K so i think that you skills are a bit low. Normally Preserver Cruisers don't orbit pasta that.


I didn't have any 'range' skills so I'm skilling those up now. Hopefully that will help.

I can shoot cruise missiles too, but figured the rapid heavies would be better against a couple cruisers and a swarm of frigs?

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C1-2 should be doable in a BC, that drake listed above should work just fine just remember to get close the BS's and burn around them with the AB to keep the DPS down (C2s).


I could never come close in a drake. Hopefully a couple more weeks of skilling will do the trick. I think my capacitor, power, cpu skills are fine, and I'm having no issues with fitting anything or running stable cap. I also sunk an enormous amount of SPs into shields. Hard to know where the issue lies, but it could be my 'gank' is lacking.

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If you get our skills up and earn a bit of ISK a Active Tank Rattlesnake is a beast for C3s, making 150-200mil/H solo is pretty eack


Sounds nice, but I know those things are expensive as heck and insurance payouts suck with them.
FeistyOne
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#5 - 2016-11-18 13:00:15 UTC
use a gila in c3 wormholes. Cheap and easy.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#6 - 2016-11-18 13:31:47 UTC
I wouldn't recommend starting in a C3 with that ship and your skills. A Forgotten Frontier Quarantine Outpost can be a challenge even in a well equipped Rattlesnake until you get the feel for it. You need to be able to tank at least 600 DPS in the last wave if you're flying a battleship. Start with a C1, progress to a C2 and then to a C3.

I'd recommend using cruise missiles if you're having range problems. Replace the grappler with a target painter to compensate for the larger explosion radius. Preferably two target painters if you can spare the tank. Later, move to a rapid heavy missile launcher when you can range out to at least 50km. Also, don't forget your drones. Sentry drones will be able to handle any ranges you encounter in sleeper sites. I've become a fan of the Gecko, but it's pricey.

I'd say don't worry about your DPS initially. If you can tank the site, you will eventually kill all the sleepers. Focus on your tank first and then your gank. Your tank is what determines what level site you can run.

A Drake is probably your best bet in C1s and C2s. When you're ready for C3s, get a Rattlesnake. You don't see Ravens running wormhole sites much for a reason. Though it should be fine in C1/C2s since you already own it.
Solitudinem Aeternus
Multiverse Trading
#7 - 2016-11-18 14:33:55 UTC
Zarek Kree wrote:
I wouldn't recommend starting in a C3 with that ship and your skills. A Forgotten Frontier Quarantine Outpost can be a challenge even in a well equipped Rattlesnake until you get the feel for it. You need to be able to tank at least 600 DPS in the last wave if you're flying a battleship. Start with a C1, progress to a C2 and then to a C3.


Ah, great advice. I try to find C1s but can't always find them. I was told (erroneously, apparently) that C2s and C3s aren't much more difficult, but C4s and up are where the rubber meets the road. I'll try C1s exclusively from now on until I can skill up.

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Also, don't forget your drones. Sentry drones will be able to handle any ranges you encounter in sleeper sites. I've become a fan of the Gecko, but it's pricey.


I have low drone skills, and any drones I've ever put out there (light and medium) get slaughtered (and quick), so I stopped using drones in these sites. They are in my skill plan, however, so....

Thanks.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#8 - 2016-11-18 16:34:59 UTC
Solitudinem Aeternus wrote:
Ah, great advice. I try to find C1s but can't always find them. I was told (erroneously, apparently) that C2s and C3s aren't much more difficult, but C4s and up are where the rubber meets the road. I'll try C1s exclusively from now on until I can skill up.


There's nothing wrong with starting in a C2 if that's all you can find and you've got the tank for it. But there's a big difference between each class of wormhole. Let Rykki or Eve Survival guide your decision making. You only need to be able to tank about 200 DPS in a C1, but about 500 DPS in a C2 and as much as 1500 in a C3 (though you can run most sites with about 750). Don't venture into the next class of wormhole until you can field at least that much. There are also a couple of harder C3 sites that will scram you, so be careful.

Also, remember that with a battleship, you're taking every bit of the incoming DPS on the chin. With a cruiser like a Gila or a battlecruiser like a Drake, you can speed tank a lot of the incoming DPS reducing the absolute damage you have to handle. For someone with low skill and limited funds, I can't recommend a Drake enough. There are also tons of YouTube videos out there showing you how to run wormhole sites with one.

The moment your drones get targeted, recall them (shift-R) and then launch them again(or preferably some healthy spares). Better drone skills won't prevent them from being targeted - you just have to learn how to manage them.
Solitudinem Aeternus
Multiverse Trading
#9 - 2016-11-19 03:09:28 UTC
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Hyzenthlay Yarrow
Low Expectations
#10 - 2016-11-20 07:49:43 UTC
God your fit is a mess.

Get that XLASB off of there. I mean seriously, if you have to warp off before you've half killed a frigate, it should be a major warning that there is something seriously wrong with your tank. Even if it did work, you're going to go through a ******** amount of booster charges with sleepers. What are you doing in the 45 seconds it takes to reload? Prayer tanking?

Drop the grappler and get a TP.

The rest of the mids are a pretty big mess too.

You have left big holes in your skills. Not having Hull Upgrades IV (for a DC II) is pretty unforgivable.

Honestly I do not like the Raven for any c3 sites, not even the combat sites (and certainly not the data and relic ones). The DPS is anemic and you spend so much on cap to make the Pith X-type XLSB stable theres no room left to improve it by much.

Stay with c1 and c2 sites, where you can use a drake or myrmidon. Work on support skills, they are important.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#11 - 2016-11-25 15:44:06 UTC
Get EFT and import your character and fit.

This will show you how much tank and DPS you will get with your skills. Then compare this to the "all V" character in EFT. You can right click to toggle skills to see what to train first for most impact.

A drake should be fine for C1-C2. Stay away from C3's until you get more experience. A Drake is cheaper and will fit through more wormholes as a battlecruiser.

You might be better off with Heavy Missiles to begin with to shorten your reload time and have more range + precision missiles for frigates.

Also, Anomolies are easier to run than the signatures you have to probe to find.

Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#12 - 2016-11-30 05:59:56 UTC
Hyzenthlay Yarrow wrote:
Even if it did work, you're going to go through a ******** amount of booster charges with sleepers. What are you doing in the 45 seconds it takes to reload? Prayer tanking?



I use a 140 mil isk fit Gnosis on my alt to do C2s. Uses 2 large ancillary boosters. I love it. 100 boosters( about 350k isk) last quite a long time...like ill collect 100 mil in loot before i use 100 boosters easily. Tanks about 450 dps with a single booster and 870 with both running. Puts out 425 dps with his skills. I can do all sites in a C2 with it.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#13 - 2016-12-01 00:20:00 UTC
Try the fit, below. Pack an Improved Blue Pill booster, it's cheap and well worth the investment if you find your tank isn't quite up to scratch. Train your missile application skills up.

Also don't forget to pack a depot, and swap the MJD for target painters, grapplers, etc, depending on whether you are shooting cruisers or frigates. The MJD will be useful for GTFO in case of surprise PVP.

[Raven, C2 Raven]

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II

Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
'Copasetic' Particle Field Acceleration
Large Cap Battery II
Large Cap Battery II
Large Micro Jump Drive

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
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Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

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