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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#101 - 2016-11-17 20:47:54 UTC
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
Mortlake wrote:
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.


All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.

GG


I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor.



I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it.

This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings)

I also went a step further and talked briefly about t1 cruisers being able to defend against and or go on the offensive, it's naturally possible and quite easy if done correctly, but how many new people will understand that?

Naturally, at some point, they have to figure out some things for themselves and they will, but how many will leave before that actually happens?

I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal.

They're a company, they need to make money.

Obligatory " Well free to play doesn't generate money lol you're stupid." comment...

It actually does when setup correctly and we see this in the majority of current mmorpgs as almost all of them have some sort of free to play model.

Insert irrelevant comment pertaining to 5 - 10 mmorpgs that don't have this model, so I can in turn link hundreds that do.


you take gatecamping away and you take away another form of income for pvp'ers/pirates, if you took that away then you will lose players who pay money directly to ccp (people who pay subs and buy plex with rl money), right now, i gatecamp to have fun and be social with my alliance, if i couldnt gatecamp then the game would just turn into a simple game of logging in for pings which id soon get bored of and play overwatch or some xbox one game.

are you going to remove wardeccers, code and every form of pvp to keep f2p players happy? who may never sub or buy a plex, they are called "free to play" for a reason and have restrictions for a reason. you start favouring that gameplay then you start losing customers who fund this game monthly over longterm.

also, ive killed a lot of new players on gatecamps and have sent them 10x the amount of isk they have lost along with advice on how to avoid in the future, only if they interact with me though. and i know a lot of others do the same, i think mining and missions are a killer of the game and the cancer tax haven/sh** ceos of highsec corps convincing new players that mining in highsec is the way forward and boring newbies to death till they quit.

Dont crap on other peoples playstyles, there is a clear notification popup as soon as someone tries to jump into lowsec that they can be killed, you dont get that notification with highsec corps exploiting newplayers to fund there own wallets.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#102 - 2016-11-17 20:50:52 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Why should I post with my main when people don't scam and gank with theirs?


what?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#103 - 2016-11-17 20:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"



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Is EvE Pay-to-Win then???

But Tippia said it wasn't :(((


Galaxy Duck wrote:
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"


You could always scam :D


:DDD

I love being antisocial in social games! especially when there are no consequences!


did you read the description of this game when you installed it? as you seem completely ignorant, the ones you call antisocial are the most social people in this game, its the people who mine and mission run and expect to be left alone in an "MMO" that are the antisocial ones, the ones who try and play solo

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#104 - 2016-11-17 20:54:29 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Why should I post with my main when people don't scam and gank with theirs?


You're scamming people with what you're saying in this thread? And since when do people not gank with their mains?

What does scamming or ganking have to do with an alpha PvPing?
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2016-11-17 20:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Surely you understand why "posting with one's main" is seen as a sign of being an online tough guy: because then you know who is the poster who rustled your jimmies, and you can find him ingame.

This is why people have been lured for time immemorial to "post with their main".
Now, one would argue that it's really dumb to go after someone, in a play pretend universe, because he rustled your jimmies in meta talk on an internet forum.

On the contrary, during ingame interactions, one would be really right in trying to seek retribution from the gankers, scammers and generally griefers who tricked him. Alas! one cannot, because alts and accounts are not related together, and you can't find out which character is the 5.0 mission running char or hauler char of the guy who ganked/scammed/gatecamped you.
So, you can't really seek retribution (hitting their wallet), because chasing down a throwaway alt is utterly futile.

So, again, why should I post with my main to escape meta consequences ingame, when griefers grief with disposable alt which are not part of their isk making business, therefore making immersion-respecting vengeance for ingame actions, completely impossible?

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#106 - 2016-11-17 21:03:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Surely you understand why "posting with one's main" is seen as a sign of being an online tough guy: because then you know who is the poster who rustled your jimmies, and you can find him ingame.

This is why people have been lured for time immemorial to "post with their main".
Now, one would argue that it's really dumb to go after someone, in a play pretend universe, because he rustled your jimmies in meta talk on an internet forum.

On the contrary, during ingame interactions, one would be really right in trying to seek retribution from the gankers, scammers and generally griefers who tricked him. Alas! one cannot, because alts and accounts are not related together, and you can't find out which character is the 5.0 mission running char of the guy who ganked/scammed/gatecamped you.
So, you can't really seek retribution, because chasing down a throwaway alt is utterly futile.

So, again, why should I post with my main to escape meta consequences ingame, when griefers grief with disposable alt which are not part of their isk making business, therefore making immersion-respecting vengeance for ingame actions, completely impossible?


i post with my main because i want to be accountable for my trolling and god i hope people come and look for me, nobody cares but dont try and troll people and bad mouth people from behind an alt, if you shiptoast then you should do it from your main instead of being a coward and making a forum alt, otherwise the opinions of a forum alt are disregarded

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2016-11-17 21:06:12 UTC
Posting with an alt makes your point invalid by default, that's why.

I have no idea what this has to do with the topic, though. Post with your main or gtfo!

Xodiac Primus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2016-11-17 21:08:38 UTC
Darius Falc wrote:
Limited? Wow...I sometimes wonder how much people making these criticisms play the game. T1 frigate, destroyer and cruiser gangs can be horrifically effective if the loadouts are right. It's entirely possible to get 700 dps out of a Thorax with a half way decent tank and destroyer gangs have long been a staple of null sec alliances.


Don't want to blow your mind here or anything, but the people who are supposed to be pulled in by this un-timed DEMO (Call it what it is) are not going to play for a week or two then glob up by the 100s to gank people with tricked out T1 geared Destroyers. It's just not going to happen. Since mission running level 2 missions will bore them after a day or two like anybody else they will log off never having seen 90% of this game.... and never will.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#109 - 2016-11-17 21:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Ah Lone Wong, you're the usual dude with zero RL friends (wonder why?) who finds a community of souls within the griefer subcommunity of New Eden. I guess it's a real promised land to you, being able to speak with people on voice comms, open your heart and play cookie clickers, while waiting for the gate activation signal to alt-tab back into the gatecamp and engage in some hot 12 v 1 action!


Lan Wang wrote:


did you read the description of this game when you installed it? as you seem completely ignorant, the ones you call antisocial are the most social people in this game, its the people who mine and mission run and expect to be left alone in an "MMO" that are the antisocial ones, the ones who try and play solo

right now, i gatecamp to have fun and be social with my alliance, if i couldnt gatecamp then the game would just turn into a simple game of logging in for pings which id soon get bored of and play overwatch or some xbox one game.




Griefing random gamers for no reason other than getting cheap kicks out of making them lose hours of ingame grind, and revelling in their rage: being social

"if I couldn't gatecamp I couldn't have fun"

LOL

Never change Griefbears

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#110 - 2016-11-17 21:10:35 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Ccp was warned about they chose to ignore it. All thr alphas are not new playera just vets creatings lots of free alts and use to bump numbers and camp.gates etc. Real bad move imo was alphas



This is nonsense. I've only casually been playing a few hours a day since the expansion and I've already run into tons of genuine clueless noobs, much more than I expected.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#111 - 2016-11-17 21:25:53 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Surely you understand why "posting with one's main" is seen as a sign of being an online tough guy: because then you know who is the poster who rustled your jimmies, and you can find him ingame.

This is why people have been lured for time immemorial to "post with their main".
Now, one would argue that it's really dumb to go after someone, in a play pretend universe, because he rustled your jimmies in meta talk on an internet forum.

On the contrary, during ingame interactions, one would be really right in trying to seek retribution from the gankers, scammers and generally griefers who tricked him. Alas! one cannot, because alts and accounts are not related together, and you can't find out which character is the 5.0 mission running char or hauler char of the guy who ganked/scammed/gatecamped you.
So, you can't really seek retribution (hitting their wallet), because chasing down a throwaway alt is utterly futile.

So, again, why should I post with my main to escape meta consequences ingame, when griefers grief with disposable alt which are not part of their isk making business, therefore making immersion-respecting vengeance for ingame actions, completely impossible?


No, posting with your main isn't a sign of being an "online tough guy", it gives credibility to what you're saying. Why would we take someone seriously if they could be a one day old newbie giving opinions based on nothing? If I were going to a mechanic to fix my car IRL, I want proof that the mechanic is good at fixing cars first. Posting with your main gives that proof.

Griefing isn't allowed as per the TOS, so if you see griefing in game, I suggest you report it. If you're polite, reasonable and respectful of people whose opinions you disagree with, no one is really going to hunt you for what you say on the forums. Instead of using forum alts, just understand everyone views a sandbox game differently, and respect different opinions.

tl/dr, post with your main or no one will take you seriously
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#112 - 2016-11-17 21:29:06 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Ah Lone Wong, you're the usual dude with zero RL friends (wonder why?) who finds a community of souls within the griefer subcommunity of New Eden. I guess it's a real promised land to you, being able to speak with people on voice comms, open your heart and play cookie clickers, while waiting for the gate activation signal to alt-tab back into the gatecamp and engage in some hot 12 v 1 action!


Lan Wang wrote:


did you read the description of this game when you installed it? as you seem completely ignorant, the ones you call antisocial are the most social people in this game, its the people who mine and mission run and expect to be left alone in an "MMO" that are the antisocial ones, the ones who try and play solo

right now, i gatecamp to have fun and be social with my alliance, if i couldnt gatecamp then the game would just turn into a simple game of logging in for pings which id soon get bored of and play overwatch or some xbox one game.




Griefing random gamers for no reason other than getting cheap kicks out of making them lose hours of ingame grind, and revelling in their rage: being social

"if I couldn't gatecamp I couldn't have fun"

LOL

Never change Griefbears


again, did you read the description of this game before you installed or do you just wanna moan at people for playing the game how they want? griefing is bannable, im not banned so im not griefing, yeah i wouldnt bother logging in if ccp stopped my gameplay, im sure you would be the same

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2016-11-17 21:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you?

I haven't been subscribed all of those 13 years but I've seen enough of what goes on ingame, and out of the game, to understand fairly well what your community is made of. For example...

Would you imagine there's a subgroup of players who enjoy pretending to befriend other gamers ingame, just to get their RL info? said info is then collected, and can be sold to others, when the befriended mark has made enemies.


"Griefing isn't allowed hurr durr" : LOL

It's what makes up the core of the gameplay, that hasn't changed in years because it can be cheesed and metagamed the hell out, with... drumroll.... alts, which have to be funded at some point : it brings revenue to CCP

Scamming/ganking/infiltrating for no reason other than Schadenfreude, "harvesting tears", is really griefing, everybody understands it who tried EvE and left saying the community is a cesspool of sociopaths.
Just because EULA frowns upon following a player for days on end, or playing mind tricks on him on voice comms until he humiliates himself (Hello Erotica1! who are your alts nowadays?), doesn't mean the ingame cheese served by New Eden Online Sociopaths Anonymous, isn't grief-centric.

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#114 - 2016-11-17 22:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you?


You've been playing since July of 2015, until you post with a character that proves otherwise. Given I've been playing for three years longer than you, you should defer to my judgement as the more experienced player.

And don't use the word sociopath. This a video game, not real life.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2016-11-17 22:07:00 UTC
I've played the negative pre-pre-alpha, I just paused for 20 years and started playing again in 2008, my **** is the longest.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#116 - 2016-11-17 22:17:38 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you?

I haven't been subscribed all of those 13 years but I've seen enough of what goes on ingame, and out of the game, to understand fairly well what your community is made of. For example...

Would you imagine there's a subgroup of players who enjoy pretending to befriend other gamers ingame, just to get their RL info? said info is then collected, and can be sold to others, when the befriended mark has made enemies.


"Griefing isn't allowed hurr durr" : LOL

It's what makes up the core of the gameplay, that hasn't changed in years because it can be cheesed and metagamed the hell out, with... drumroll.... alts, which have to be funded at some point : it brings revenue to CCP

Scamming/ganking/infiltrating for no reason other than Schadenfreude, "harvesting tears", is really griefing, everybody understands it who tried EvE and left saying the community is a cesspool of sociopaths.
Just because EULA frowns upon following a player for days on end, or playing mind tricks on him on voice comms until he humiliates himself (Hello Erotica1! who are your alts nowadays?), doesn't mean the ingame cheese served by New Eden Online Sociopaths Anonymous, isn't grief-centric.


im a nice guy irl

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#117 - 2016-11-17 22:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol epoch
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you?

I haven't been subscribed all of those 13 years but I've seen enough of what goes on ingame, and out of the game, to understand fairly well what your community is made of. For example...

Would you imagine there's a subgroup of players who enjoy pretending to befriend other gamers ingame, just to get their RL info? said info is then collected, and can be sold to others, when the befriended mark has made enemies.


"Griefing isn't allowed hurr durr" : LOL

It's what makes up the core of the gameplay, that hasn't changed in years because it can be cheesed and metagamed the hell out, with... drumroll.... alts, which have to be funded at some point : it brings revenue to CCP

Scamming/ganking/infiltrating for no reason other than Schadenfreude, "harvesting tears", is really griefing, everybody understands it who tried EvE and left saying the community is a cesspool of sociopaths.
Just because EULA frowns upon following a player for days on end, or playing mind tricks on him on voice comms until he humiliates himself (Hello Erotica1! who are your alts nowadays?), doesn't mean the ingame cheese served by New Eden Online Sociopaths Anonymous, isn't grief-centric.



It would seem from your posts that you are the one griefing and being opinionated as if people have any RL friends etc.

It would also seem as if you are not happy with this game hence you not being subscribed for a very long time so it begs the question as to why you bothered comeing back if it is causing you so much anguish and annoyance?

That in itself is not healthy and I would suggest you step back and calm down.
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#118 - 2016-11-17 22:48:34 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
You're funny. The first day I started playing this game was on release day, 2003. I even played the beta, did you?

I haven't been subscribed all of those 13 years but I've seen enough of what goes on ingame, and out of the game, to understand fairly well what your community is made of. For example...

Would you imagine there's a subgroup of players who enjoy pretending to befriend other gamers ingame, just to get their RL info? said info is then collected, and can be sold to others, when the befriended mark has made enemies.


"Griefing isn't allowed hurr durr" : LOL

It's what makes up the core of the gameplay, that hasn't changed in years because it can be cheesed and metagamed the hell out, with... drumroll.... alts, which have to be funded at some point : it brings revenue to CCP

Scamming/ganking/infiltrating for no reason other than Schadenfreude, "harvesting tears", is really griefing, everybody understands it who tried EvE and left saying the community is a cesspool of sociopaths.
Just because EULA frowns upon following a player for days on end, or playing mind tricks on him on voice comms until he humiliates himself (Hello Erotica1! who are your alts nowadays?), doesn't mean the ingame cheese served by New Eden Online Sociopaths Anonymous, isn't grief-centric.


Lol your tears are rich and plentiful.
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2016-11-18 02:44:07 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
I've played the negative pre-pre-alpha, I just paused for 20 years and started playing again in 2008, my **** is the longest.

Only the pre-pre alpha.

You missed the pre-pre-pre alpha 5 years before that.

Hell the pre-pre alpha was in colour. Luxury bloody luxury. Big smile

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2016-11-18 05:14:55 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Posting with an alt makes your point invalid by default, that's why.

I have no idea what this has to do with the topic, though. Post with your main or gtfo!


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