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Suroh Kurvora
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#81 - 2016-11-17 16:44:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Suroh Kurvora
Mortlake wrote:
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.


All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.

GG


I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor.



I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it.

This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings)

I also went a step further and talked briefly about t1 cruisers being able to defend against and or go on the offensive, it's naturally possible and quite easy if done correctly, but how many new people will understand that?

Naturally, at some point, they have to figure out some things for themselves and they will, but how many will leave before that actually happens?

I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal.

They're a company, they need to make money.

Obligatory " Well free to play doesn't generate money lol you're stupid." comment...

It actually does when setup correctly and we see this in the majority of current mmorpgs as almost all of them have some sort of free to play model.

Insert irrelevant comment pertaining to 5 - 10 mmorpgs that don't have this model, so I can in turn link hundreds that do.
Suroh Kurvora
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#82 - 2016-11-17 16:45:32 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
"Quantity has a quality all its own."

Attributed to nearly every world and military leader of the late 19th and early 20th centuries of semi-mythical Old Earth.

--Historian Gadget



I agree but how many new people will understand that?
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2016-11-17 17:25:04 UTC
"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#84 - 2016-11-17 17:32:24 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"



www.monster.com/Jobs/Search

--Helpful Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#85 - 2016-11-17 17:36:14 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"


You could always scam :D
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#86 - 2016-11-17 17:38:50 UTC
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
Mortlake wrote:
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.


All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.

GG


I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor.



I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it.

This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings)

I also went a step further and talked briefly about t1 cruisers being able to defend against and or go on the offensive, it's naturally possible and quite easy if done correctly, but how many new people will understand that?

Naturally, at some point, they have to figure out some things for themselves and they will, but how many will leave before that actually happens?

I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal.

They're a company, they need to make money.

Obligatory " Well free to play doesn't generate money lol you're stupid." comment...

It actually does when setup correctly and we see this in the majority of current mmorpgs as almost all of them have some sort of free to play model.

Insert irrelevant comment pertaining to 5 - 10 mmorpgs that don't have this model, so I can in turn link hundreds that do.


This whole post is incoherent. What's the point you're trying to get at? Please be specific.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2016-11-17 17:47:53 UTC
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"



www.monster.com/Jobs/Search

--Helpful Gadget


Is EvE Pay-to-Win then???

But Tippia said it wasn't :(((


Galaxy Duck wrote:
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"


You could always scam :D


:DDD

I love being antisocial in social games! especially when there are no consequences!

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#88 - 2016-11-17 18:38:35 UTC
High five! o/\o
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#89 - 2016-11-17 18:53:31 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"


Assuming you play 10 hours/week (which is probably low for most people) that's $1.13/hr to play those three accounts.

Find me another form of entertainment cheaper than that. I mean, I'll easily pay $40 to play golf for three hours, or $10 to see a movie for two hours.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2016-11-17 18:55:32 UTC
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal.

But it really isn't. It's only pointless for people who wouldn't like the game either way. Alpha clone, Omega clone, 1M SP or 100M SP - players of all skill and experience levels have been ganked before, or scammed or found themselves in a really unfair situation that they had no way of winning by no fault of their own. And if a player cannot handle that, no matter if Alpha or Omega, Veteran or Newbie, they have a fundamental problem with the game itself. And if they don't like the game as a whole, no way of accessing it, no payment model and no NPE will ever be able to fix that.

Players need a certain level of patience and resistance to frustration to enjoy Eve. Some players only notice that very late in the game, which is unfortunate, but often entertaining. With the new Alpha clone state, at least they don't have to sink any money into the game to get to that point (although I am sure many will, because paying means winning, right?).
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2016-11-17 18:59:41 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Assuming you play 10 hours/week (which is probably low for most people) that's $1.13/hr to play those three accounts.

Find me another form of entertainment cheaper than that. I mean, I'll easily pay $40 to play golf for three hours, or $10 to see a movie for two hours.

Witcher 3 cost me about 18 cents/hr, KSP significantly less. That's not counting electricity, internet and depreciation cost for the PC. :v
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2016-11-17 19:05:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
"Damn this game looks sweet! But this alpha clone can't get things done... maybe I'll upgrade it to omega? Ha, but then, I'll really need a secondary account to scout, plus a third neutral one if I want to haul, market, etc... hmm... how can I make 3.9b to fund those... is a sociopathy simulator worth 45 bucks a month?"


Assuming you play 10 hours/week (which is probably low for most people) that's $1.13/hr to play those three accounts.

Find me another form of entertainment cheaper than that. I mean, I'll easily pay $40 to play golf for three hours, or $10 to see a movie for two hours.


Making fun of griefer enablers on a online forum: completely free

Output: absolute euphoria

"There's nothing wrong with paying for multiple accounts and buying secondary displays just because gameplay has never evolved, and clunky mechanics never were changed because they could be cheesed/circumvented by playing more accounts simultaneously!"


But it seems you silently agree that alts are somewhat mandatory... does that make EvE Play-to-Win?

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#93 - 2016-11-17 19:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
Making fun of griefer enablers on a online forum: completely free

Output: absolute euphoria

"There's nothing wrong with paying for multiple accounts and buying secondary displays just because gameplay has never evolved, and clunky mechanics never were changed because they could be cheesed/circumvented by playing more accounts simultaneously!"


But it seems you silently agree that alts are somewhat mandatory... does that make EvE Play-to-Win?


No. An experienced vet with an alpha account will destroy the day old newbie with five purchased accounts blinged out any day of the week.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2016-11-17 19:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
does that make EvE Play-to-Win?

Statistically, if there is a chance to win a game, in absolute numbers you will win more often the more you play. So I'd say every game you can technically win is Play-to-Win. The real question is - can Eve be won?

For most games the chance of winning is 0 if you do not play. With Eve, this may be the other way around.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#95 - 2016-11-17 19:20:39 UTC
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
Mortlake wrote:
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.


All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.

GG


I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor.



I would argue that people like you have ruined not only the game but the world in its entirety because you fail to read more than one comment in a forum and assume you know exactly what's going on. Had you read my more recent posts including the ones directly above your own you'd note that not only do I support gate camping I partake in it.

This thread is not about that, this is about the failure of ccps free to play model, gate camping is just one of many examples I used which will act as a deterrent to new players that don't have access to anything above t1 cruisers (or fittings)

I also went a step further and talked briefly about t1 cruisers being able to defend against and or go on the offensive, it's naturally possible and quite easy if done correctly, but how many new people will understand that?

Naturally, at some point, they have to figure out some things for themselves and they will, but how many will leave before that actually happens?

I know, I know.. right now you're saying " Well we don't need them" or " Then they shouldn't here anyway" and countless other pointless comments that serve no purpose what so ever. The point here is that the "New and improved Trial account" is essentially useless in terms of bringing new blood into the game which is ccps goal.

They're a company, they need to make money.

Obligatory " Well free to play doesn't generate money lol you're stupid." comment...

It actually does when setup correctly and we see this in the majority of current mmorpgs as almost all of them have some sort of free to play model.

Insert irrelevant comment pertaining to 5 - 10 mmorpgs that don't have this model, so I can in turn link hundreds that do.


But is this the fault of the game or the community? Take a look at the gate camp scenario you put forth. An alpha jumps his hard earned cruiser into low sec either trying to head into PvP, faction warfare, or an exploration escalation. On the other side, a gate camp awaits. The alpha is most likely doomed.

That is the nature of eve and changing that would change what eve is. However, what happens next is based on player actions. The alpha could get killed, podded, and left to his own devices and leave. On the other hand, as happens at times, the gate campers reach out to the alpha. They strike up a conversation, explaining what happened and why. They may even offer the Alpha a free frigate and a chance to join the camp. The alpha player makes new friends and finds a new way to play, encouraging him to subscribe and stay.

In the end, the game is what it is and nothing more. It's the interaction of the players that make it great. So instead of complaining on the forums, why not get out there and help make connections that will keep people in game?
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#96 - 2016-11-17 20:24:57 UTC
Ccp was warned about they chose to ignore it. All thr alphas are not new playera just vets creatings lots of free alts and use to bump numbers and camp.gates etc. Real bad move imo was alphas

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#97 - 2016-11-17 20:27:49 UTC
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.


All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.

GG



Actually, CCP's internal studies have shown that when a new bro loses a ship to a player they are something like 80% more likley to keep playing.

Which makes sense. A lot of people, if you poke push them or **** them off, they want revenge, this will make them focus on killing you, and thus stay

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2016-11-17 20:28:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:

The alpha could get killed, podded, and left to his own devices and leave. On the other hand, as happens at times, the gate campers reach out to the alpha. They strike up a conversation, explaining what happened and why. They may even offer the Alpha a free frigate and a chance to join the camp. The alpha player makes new friends and finds a new way to play, encouraging him to subscribe and stay.

In the end, the game is what it is and nothing more. It's the interaction of the players that make it great. So instead of complaining on the forums, why not get out there and help make connections that will keep people in game?


Hazing rituals for online tough guys: the game
Sociopaths Anonymous: the community
Come grief random gamers with us! break immersion by going out of your way to cheese, and harvesting tears XD!



Sonya Corvinus wrote:


No. An experienced vet with an alpha account will destroy the day old newbie with five purchased accounts blinged out any day of the week.


A somewhat new player with 5 accounts and a couple hours research into game mechanics will utterly BTFO anything a lone pilot jumps in his gatecamp, assuming it's not cloaky

>haha you see he destroyed him by not fighting

omg you're so right I guess all the tens of thousands that quit this game never to return really showed those griefers who's boss



Neuntausend wrote:


For most games the chance of winning is 0 if you do not play. With Eve, this may be the other way around.


Like pottery

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#99 - 2016-11-17 20:35:43 UTC
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde wrote:
A somewhat new player with 5 accounts and a couple hours research into game mechanics will utterly BTFO anything a lone pilot jumps in his gatecamp, assuming it's not cloaky

>haha you see he destroyed him by not fighting

omg you're so right I guess all the tens of thousands that quit this game never to return really showed those griefers who's boss


You've been in zero fights in game. What experience are you drawing upon when it comes to PvP?
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2016-11-17 20:40:38 UTC
Why should I post with my main when people don't scam and gank with theirs?

"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW