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Alexis Red
Doomheim
#61 - 2016-11-17 05:01:52 UTC
For me, a part time PVE player... I can't see any reason at this point to ever pay for this game again, unless they seriously change the game and actually make a PVE server..

Otherwise, I really think it's the first of many final nails until it's the fat lady singing good night.
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2016-11-17 05:52:39 UTC
Alexis Red wrote:
For me, a part time PVE player... I can't see any reason at this point to ever pay for this game again, unless they seriously change the game and actually make a PVE server..

Otherwise, I really think it's the first of many final nails until it's the fat lady singing good night.



Next ones will be explorers...unless CCP revamp site spawn time I think in about two months all paying players doing exploration as their main isk/fun source will quit because they will find no sites anymore.

I personally imagined it and turned my isk source on PI but from the moment players were doing trials that would be converted into alphas the numbers of relic/data sites aroud was drastically reduced...

...maybe it was only me unlucky but I have doubts...
Herbert G Wells
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2016-11-17 06:41:21 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


I feel for you.

I cannot afford the new Mercedes I want, so they should just give me one for free so long as I stay within 50 miles of my home town.

I wish that every one who wishes to play Eve could afford the sub, but that just ain't the way the world works.



I see reading comprehension is still not a requirement to post on here, so not everything has changed. I'm not entirely sure how you equate a $35,000 luxury car with a computer game, but I guess when you talk of your ass there probably isn't much room for original thought.

My point was that for those people who are a little more careful with their money, getting them to invest long term in a game can be problematic. Having the Alpha system in place allows them to try before they buy, just like in the good old days of demo's. As for my lack of funds, I moved to a different country, bought a house, got married, and started a new business, so money is still a little tight at the moment. I mean, you could have asked, but I guess making an effort is painful for you.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#64 - 2016-11-17 08:06:01 UTC
gatecamping is protecting our space, why would we let our enemies get vital warchest stock into our systems where we have our expensive toys?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Vigirr
#65 - 2016-11-17 08:39:24 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
You can cry about it as much as you want, but you know what?

You can't quit anymore.. Haha


But... you mean I can't do my annual rage quit? I hadn't thought of it like that.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#66 - 2016-11-17 08:53:20 UTC
Herbert G Wells wrote:
...but I guess when you talk of your ass there probably isn't much room for original thought.

You seem to be an expert, so I'll take this as a credible claim.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Caiyley
Shadow Tek Industries
#67 - 2016-11-17 11:13:24 UTC
This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#68 - 2016-11-17 11:18:46 UTC
Caiyley wrote:
This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it.


pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Caiyley
Shadow Tek Industries
#69 - 2016-11-17 11:21:36 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Caiyley wrote:
This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it.


pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it?



I am subbed i'm just saying this isn't going to help the game get new people which it needs.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#70 - 2016-11-17 11:26:55 UTC
Caiyley wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Caiyley wrote:
This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it.


pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it?



I am subbed i'm just saying this isn't going to help the game get new people which it needs.

all of the derpy ass new pilots would seem to disagree with that statement

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#71 - 2016-11-17 11:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Caiyley wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Caiyley wrote:
This F2P is a joke, so restrictive worse than SWTOR's F2P. I see this hurting the game more than helping it.


pay for it to unlock all the goodness, not hard is it?



I am subbed i'm just saying this isn't going to help the game get new people which it needs.


why not? because they cant fly things like vindicators and nyx's? or because you cant have a free cyno or cloaky alt?, ccp has to tread carefully with f2p as people are smart and will find ways to exploit it

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Suroh Kurvora
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#72 - 2016-11-17 12:12:04 UTC
Solonius Rex wrote:
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.


All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.

GG


Eve has always had gate camps and greifing. If players are turned off by it, they wouldnt have lasted very long either way. Only the players who rise up and work to better themselves have always endured in EVE online.

This doesnt change whether free to play or pay to play. People have bought subscriptions and threatened to cancel their accounts because of greifing.



That's sort of my point and then when you realize rolling t1s just isn't enough they're going to say why even bother?
Suroh Kurvora
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#73 - 2016-11-17 12:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Suroh Kurvora
Lan Wang wrote:
gatecamping is protecting our space, why would we let our enemies get vital warchest stock into our systems where we have our expensive toys?



Don't think for a second that I disagree with you because I don't ;)

I'm simply stating that there are a lot of draw backs to this free to play model I used the gate camping as an example because I knew it would spark a conversation, one of the things I was getting at was this.


Do you really think these new people are going to roll up on a gate camp with a **** load of t1 cruisers to get payback? No, they aren't they're going to look at it as " Well I can't use any useful ships so why bother?" or at least I would think that at least half of them would feel that way because they're new and don't know any beter.

I would also then agree with the people that would say " Well then they don't belong here anyway" but at the same time I see this as an opportunity to say to ccp, if you're going to do something at least do it right and perhaps give them a little more freedom in regards to ships they can train.

I mean really... They can't even train cross faction lol..
Suroh Kurvora
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#74 - 2016-11-17 12:25:18 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules.

And as for limitations it's okay overall, they only need to drop the restriction of only being able to fly ships of 1 faction. I don't see the point in that restriction.


The point is to give a taste of the game, but still give people a reason to subscribe. So CCP can still make money off this change.


It's not smart if thats the reason. If the new player pick a faction (like I did 7 years ago) then they usually have no idea if that faction is what they really want to be in EvE. In my first days of EVE I started as Amarr and like a week later I came to the conclusion that I wanted to fly missle boats instead. With alpha clones the players are locked out of experimenting with other T1 ships of other factions, thus limiting their starting experience more than the original trail setup.

Then they can just create a new char or account. It's free after all. People can just create 4 accounts for each race, if you really don't know which to pick. But honestly, the race doesn't matter too much, aside from solo/small gank PvP. All races have decent PvE ships and in bigger fleets, your single Alpha account ship won't have much of an influence.

Allowing all racial ships to be trained, would mean you would have to increased the SP limit, which in turn decrease the incentive to sub.

The system is fine as it is.



You proved via your comment that it's not, and to clarify I'm speaking specifically about this

Quote:
All races have decent PvE ships and in bigger fleets, your single Alpha account ship won't have much of an influence.


That applies to solo PvP and Pve as well, how far can they possibly get ratting in a t1 cruiser? This won't be an incentive to sub it's going to be a deterrent, someone in game made a great point she said to me

" This isn't a free to play model, it's a re-bandaged trial account with no expiration" and she was 100 % right!
Mortlake
Republic Military School
#75 - 2016-11-17 13:17:27 UTC
Suroh Kurvora wrote:
The gate camping and general griefing going on right now is massive and will serve to turn off new players it's pretty funny also the fact that you think having a free to play model that restricts options as heavily as yours does will work is mind boggling and no it won't encourage people to pay a subscription you may as well have just left it pay to play.


All you've managed to do as of now ccp is wreck our market and give the try hards a reason to log on during their non-prime time hours.

GG


I would argue that your jelly-legged mentality is also a factor.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...
mkint
#76 - 2016-11-17 13:43:59 UTC
My counter response to this entire thread is that after this launched, I collected 100 mil isk of ore scattered around from an old buy order. Some of it was in a lowsec/nullsec choke point. There was a total of 1 other person in local in lowsec. So yeah, running from lowsec to a major trade hub in a cheap untanked hauler with 100 mil isk cargo, with absolutely nothing interesting happening. I was honestly a little disappointed.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#77 - 2016-11-17 14:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadget Helmsdottir
Solonius Rex wrote:


Eve has always had gate camps and greifing. If players are turned off by it, they wouldnt have lasted very long either way. Only the players who rise up and work to better themselves have always endured in EVE online.




Or rise up and debase themselves...
That works too, right?

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Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Imperator Kane
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2016-11-17 15:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Imperator Kane
Neuntausend wrote:
Voxinian wrote:
Must be a glitch then, cos I was able to fit some T2 modules.

Alright smart guy, show me a proper Fit an Alpha can fly, complete with T2 guns, T2 Drones and T2 Ammunition for extra range, and you'll win a thousand internets. Despite the smartassery, I trust you surely understand what I'm saying. Alphas are pretty much gimped in terms of Skills, but that's alright, because this is Eve and in Eve about everything can be made to work.


Your are goon muppet.

I use to run Somali Boot Camp for new players which was a training corp for my Somali Coast Guard Authority wardec corp. And we had swarms of t1 guys led by an FC attack people in T3 and Battleships while they were in t1 fitted frigates and cruisers and coming out on top. Yes the guys lost ships now and again and I replaced those losses but just because you suck does not mean by default an Alpha will suck as well.


As for the OP... I am back... See you soon.

Cannibal Kane was my Test Character.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#79 - 2016-11-17 15:29:28 UTC
"Quantity has a quality all its own."

Attributed to nearly every world and military leader of the late 19th and early 20th centuries of semi-mythical Old Earth.

--Historian Gadget

Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist

Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
Othran
Route One
#80 - 2016-11-17 15:37:36 UTC
Its an unlimited trial account, simple as that.

Marketing can't be having that however so its F2P.

I think CCP will probably up their "trial conversion rate" by a couple of percent but its not going to set the world on fire.