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Paying to play Alpha clones?

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Bozze
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-11-16 21:38:55 UTC
Ah...where to start?

I was so happy to get back into the game after a long absence. I was a bit shocked by just how much the Alpha clones are limited but I think I can adjust. In the past I had 3 accounts I paid for so I could run a decent mining operation. I can now play each of these accounts for free. I can't use them like I used to though since my Hulks and Orca are beyond the reach of an Alpha Clone. Still, I can use my smaller ships to play the game and see if I really want to get back into it like I was.

Or not...

I had one character in the game and when I try to login a second account I get a message saying it violates Alpha Clone state to have more than one account running at the same time. So I can't play multiple alpha clones at the same time? They are separate accounts. I am not trying to log in 2 characters from the same account. So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. I am sure other players will have their reasons for not wanting this. Particularly the players still subscribing to the game. But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves.
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2016-11-16 21:41:34 UTC
Because 9001 ventures and eyes in literally every system, that's why.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Bozze
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-11-16 21:42:47 UTC
thank you for that completely useless reply...
Norian Rever
House Rever
#4 - 2016-11-16 21:45:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Norian Rever
I dont know whether it is, or is not, allowed to login more than one alpha account at a time.

But if it is not allowed, I would think its to prevent you creating 100 alpha accounts, logging them in, and mining/killing everything with sheer volume of ships, for free. Also to prevent, as other poster said, you having alts in an indefinate number of systems to observe gates/wh etc.
Bozze
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-11-16 21:47:55 UTC
but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#6 - 2016-11-16 21:49:06 UTC
You may only have 1 Alpha account logged in at a time. This is meant to keep the game in balance.

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Jaquete Aivoras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-11-16 21:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaquete Aivoras
Imagine this:

A full fleet of cruisers being controlled by one player in PvP low/null sec. (One person alone decides to gate camp a system with his alpha alts.)
A full fleet of ventures mining out a whole system for one player.
A full fleet of relatively cheap cruisers suicide gank one expensive ship of an enemy in high sec.
One player hauls goods and offers themselves protection at the same time with their alt accounts.
etc.
etc.
etc.


There is so many reasons why they limited it to one alpha client at a time. With free to play also comes the possibility for massive abuse of the system, this limit prevents that abuse.

Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.
Norian Rever
House Rever
#8 - 2016-11-16 21:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Norian Rever
Bozze wrote:
but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?


Yes.

To be completely specific, being willing to do so is not enough.
You must actually pay for them either with sub or PLEX in order to do so.
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#9 - 2016-11-16 21:52:17 UTC
Bozze wrote:
but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?


Yes.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
#10 - 2016-11-16 22:00:34 UTC
Bozze wrote:
but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?


Yes.

Because the fact that those accounts cost money prevents the game from operating under the expectation that literally everyone multiboxes.

If you could multibox alphas, you'd pretty much instantly be in a game where every single player had unlimited access to massize **** you swarms of drones, mining ships, you'd find people not even allowed in corps until they could anchor their own personal logi cruisers for pvp...

It would be an absolute mess.

Paying a sub or PLEX for those accounts means multiboxing has an investment associated with it that prevents it from getting too out of control.
Bozze
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-11-16 22:02:19 UTC
Jaquete Aivoras wrote:
Imagine this:

A full fleet of cruisers being controlled by one player in PvP low/null sec. (One person alone decides to gate camp a system with his alpha alts.)
A full fleet of ventures mining out a whole system for one player.
A full fleet of relatively cheap cruisers suicide gank one expensive ship of an enemy in high sec.
One player hauls goods and offers themselves protection at the same time with their alt accounts.
etc.
etc.
etc.


There is so many reasons why they limited it to one alpha client at a time. With free to play also comes the possibility for massive abuse of the system, this limit prevents that abuse.

Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.



Ok...if they stop everyone from playing multiple accounts then I can't complain.
The game balance response doesn't fly because players that pay can unbalance the game all they want.

And I would still like to hear it from the Devs though...
Bozze
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-11-16 22:07:25 UTC
PopeUrban wrote:
Bozze wrote:
but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?


Yes.

Because the fact that those accounts cost money prevents the game from operating under the expectation that literally everyone multiboxes.

If you could multibox alphas, you'd pretty much instantly be in a game where every single player had unlimited access to massize **** you swarms of drones, mining ships, you'd find people not even allowed in corps until they could anchor their own personal logi cruisers for pvp...

It would be an absolute mess.

Paying a sub or PLEX for those accounts means multiboxing has an investment associated with it that prevents it from getting too out of control.



the most I have ever run was 3 accounts at once. You guys are talking like you think every ftp player is going to run 100 accounts at the same time. Where is the computer that can run 100 EVE clients at once?

I know ftp games attract the griefers and they will use every exploit they can to make the game crap for everyone else. I just think you guys are exaggerating it a bit.
Radical Posture
The Outsiders.
#13 - 2016-11-16 22:08:39 UTC


Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.[/quote]

Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless?
If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!!
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#14 - 2016-11-16 22:13:34 UTC
Jaquete Aivoras wrote:


Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.


You heard wrong.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Bozze
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-11-16 22:15:22 UTC
Radical Posture wrote:


Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.


Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless?
If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!!
[/quote]


And here is the other side. If you think my question/complaint is bad then let's see what happens when they stop allowing multiboxing. I am not the only person that paid for multiple accounts.

As for alpha clones being eyes everywhere...that is going to happen anyway. You don't have to have them all in at the same time. You can easily just cycle through a list of accounts/alts to keep looking in the areas you are interested in. They may not all be on at the same time but they can still check in systems a few times an hour or more depending how many you have to log in and out.
Radical Posture
The Outsiders.
#16 - 2016-11-16 22:23:25 UTC
I would think to the very least. If you have one Paid account you can use one Alpha account with it.
On a separate computer.
One Launcher per box.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2016-11-16 22:35:10 UTC
Bozze wrote:
but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?


Yes, because like it or not, money is a natural barrier to entry which prevents 9001 ventures and eyes in every system.

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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
Ore No More
#18 - 2016-11-16 22:41:50 UTC
You should be thankful you have access to the game itself for free, let alone fly ships, go anywhere and do stuff...

I saw in one of the local chats today "My god, I am so limited, I cannot fly any ship"...
Reminds me of the phrase "Throw em a bone and they want a steak." Well, you gotta pay for the steak.

I for one am thankful, even as Omega, because CCP gave chance to many people who couldn't afford the game before.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-11-16 22:50:42 UTC
Bozze wrote:
So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs.

From the devs directly:

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/clone-states-post-csm-summit-roundup/

Quote:
Simultaneous Logon for Alphas:

The CSM’s number one focus for Clone States matched the biggest concern from general player feedback: simultaneous Alpha clone logon must be limited. We agree and so we are planning to implement restrictions that keep any Alpha account from passing character select if another EVE client is already active. This will be true even if the other client is Omega. Bypassing these restrictions will also be a breach of the EULA and may lead to penalties and punishments and all that nasty stuff that our security team does if they catch you being bad.

There are two reasons to make this kind of restriction. The first and most obvious reason is the potential for abuse and exploitation. The second, which the CSM focused on heavily, is that we don’t want to create a situation where normal players feel obligated to run Alpha alts. It would be unfortunate if every player has to choose between running an alt (which isn’t necessarily fun) or feeling disadvantaged against players who do. We’ve been deliberately trying to remove this kind of system (see off grid links) and certainly don’t want to add a giant new version of it with Clone States.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-11-16 22:57:06 UTC
Bozze wrote:
And here is the other side. If you think my question/complaint is bad then let's see what happens when they stop allowing multiboxing. I am not the only person that paid for multiple accounts.

As for alpha clones being eyes everywhere...that is going to happen anyway. You don't have to have them all in at the same time. You can easily just cycle through a list of accounts/alts to keep looking in the areas you are interested in. They may not all be on at the same time but they can still check in systems a few times an hour or more depending how many you have to log in and out.
Being anywhere in a matter of a few hours really isn't too far off of current capabilities with a single character. Especially when those characters are limited and not able to be used alongside an Omega without losing those eyes on site for however long it takes to get the Omega online and where you need.

Being constantly everywhere is something else entirely.
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