Intergalactic Summit

Oh come now.... Veil isn't as bad as Kim.

How dare you, primitive tribal, comparing me with this deranged gurista and even claiming I am worse?!

Have you lost your mind, subhuman?!

Speak of the Devil..

Pilot Gesakaarin has just proven she can't punch above her weight so if she is indeed looking for a hobby she would be well advised to try something she could actually do without getting battered so easily. She is essentially a lightweight with delusions of rhetorical effectiveness that could not survive engagement with even one initial concept.

I rate kim higher then pilot Gesakaarin and it is well known how little i think of that cowardly tin soldier. But have faith I have no interest in continuing to slap around the intellectually incompetent who are clearly unable to bring anything of substance to the table beyond juvenile racist name calling. It's just too easy and boring.

Yes, well, I shall approach this slightly differently than my erstwhile colleague.

Tibus Heth was a populist, who had already made his career as a populist, and suddenly gained the support and wealth of some very wealthy benefactor who was also a player in the Caldari corporate system. I assume I don't need to tell you what a perfect storm that represents?

To add to the statistical unlikelihood of the scenario, Heth also came along (with his unearned wealth and backer) at a time when the State was ideally positioned to respond to his message. A period of stagnation had led to corporate indulgence and nepotism and this created something that was believed to be impossible - a sense of grievance that was universal throughout all of the competing Mega Corporations (with the exception of Ishukone).

Left to itself, the system would have balanced out. The Executives were weakening their own positions, leaving themselves without a leg to stand on. Whether it was Otro Gariushi or some other, someone would have come, out competed the complacent parties and made clear which approach was superior.

But someone was watching and they made sure Tibus Heth filled that niche.

Now, in his five years Tibus Heth achieved many things and not even most of them were bad things, from the perspective of the Caldari Patriot. Nepotism was scoured away. Complacency and Stagnation banished. Heth led a successful crusade back to the Home world and whilst he never made good on that victory, it was still a very glad homecoming for us.

I would say that, aside for his persecution of Ishukone, it was only really in his last year that he became problematic.

And when he did, it wasn't the Corporate executives who dealt with him. It wasn't the Navy. It was the people who broke his back and drove him from power. I know, because I was one of them. The will of the people was made manifest - and it's this that proves the lie to your assertion that it's ruled solely by the Corporate hierarchy.

Ah-- Mr. Ronin? "The lie" used in this context (like "gives the lie to the assertion that," etc.), isn't quite the same as calling the speaker a liar. (You'd think it would be, but it isn't.)

It's a turn of phrase making claim of inaccuracy without the kind of "sting" typical where the word is used. It's less like saying, "You're a liar," and more like saying, "And therefore, this isn't true."

As to the actual content of the argument, I think I'll just stay over here and let you all hash that out....

In many ways the ascension of the criminal tibus heth illustrates well the deep dysfunction at the heart of the Caldari system of corp governance. tibus himself rallied the populous desires of the Caldari people by showing he understood the symptoms this dysfunction and pledged to excise it from the Caldari Constructions Corp.

As is often the case dealing with the symptoms may do little to cure the root cause, if you have a broken limb an ice pack will reduce the swelling and temporarily ease the pain but will not heal the break. tibus heth's racist blame of the failure of Caldari Corp governance on Gallente influence was an ice pack, it did not help heal the root cause.

I would really like to discuss what the root causes of dysfunction are in the Caldari State with anyone who has observations that can be instructive because for me this is a learning exercise to try and determine the best practices for governance. Blind patriotic announcements of my system is the best because we are the best wont cut it. I am seeking the truth from those with the intellectual courage to help me find it. No system implemented by humans is perfect but they all can be improved if we look at them with honesty, join me in doing so.

The problem, as I see it, is that you seem to be viewing the culture of the State through the lenses of your own perspective. Things that you've identified as dysfunctions seem, to me, to either be intended features or acceptable consequences. Some ideals that you hold are things that are either unimportant or even undesirable to us.

Unless you can understand our cultural history, you'll have problems understanding the choices we make.

Nonetheless, I can attempt to explain.

I don't love how State loyalists are always happy to speak for all Caldari including the disadvantaged in their society who have no voices (and can't even leave the State because, you know, they're too poor).

Yeah it's pretty cruel to demand that somebody stand when they have no legs, metaphorically.