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Why CCP needs to have infinite trial days
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#21 - 2012-01-18 21:59:35 UTC
So... basically you want to have EVE as a Free 2 play game? I think we went over this last june...
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-01-18 22:11:22 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Ayieka wrote:
Zosius wrote:
lol... sure, give time for all wow players to learn eve.. no thanks.


this kind of elitism is real unhealthy for a game community.


What elitism is this that you speak of? It is a commonly known fact that wowtards that try EVE shriek in horror and flees as soon as any challenge (like reading) presents itself. Also, there are no pandas in EVE.


While you are 100% right about the panda thing, I think that attitude may bring the players into an irresolvable conflict of interests with ccp. You cannot really ask of a company to change their product in a way that it scares away potential paying customers, only to make the older subscribers feel better about themselves....

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Ai Shun
#23 - 2012-01-18 22:17:31 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Ayieka wrote:
Zosius wrote:
lol... sure, give time for all wow players to learn eve.. no thanks.


this kind of elitism is real unhealthy for a game community.


What elitism is this that you speak of? It is a commonly known fact that wowtards that try EVE shriek in horror and flees as soon as any challenge (like reading) presents itself. Also, there are no pandas in EVE.


While you are 100% right about the panda thing, I think that attitude may bring the players into an irresolvable conflict of interests with ccp. You cannot really ask of a company to change their product in a way that it scares away potential paying customers, only to make the older subscribers feel better about themselves....


But what if the change scares away the old customers? Whilst an influx of new customers is desirable, losing a loyal customer base that has provided a regular revenue stream for years just to attract potential customers seems a bit off.
met worst
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-01-18 22:23:04 UTC
General Abitis wrote:
True, but have you noticed since the incarna walkout, it went from 45-65k on the weekends to the max ever now 23-28k?

Did I misread you?

Weekends are 46-48k+ and most days when I log in it's 40k+

I'm from Aus so morning log in (6:30 am) is 20:00 UTC - roughly evening for eurozone.
Ai Shun
#25 - 2012-01-18 22:24:17 UTC
met worst wrote:
General Abitis wrote:
True, but have you noticed since the incarna walkout, it went from 45-65k on the weekends to the max ever now 23-28k?

Did I misread you?

Weekends are 46-48k+ and most days when I log in it's 40k+

I'm from Aus so morning log in (6:30 am) is 20:00 UTC - roughly evening for eurozone.


He also wanders about claiming you can buy a PLEX and sell it within minutes for 2B ISK. I wouldn't put too much faith in anything General Abitis says.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-01-18 22:27:33 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Ayieka wrote:
Zosius wrote:
lol... sure, give time for all wow players to learn eve.. no thanks.


this kind of elitism is real unhealthy for a game community.


What elitism is this that you speak of? It is a commonly known fact that wowtards that try EVE shriek in horror and flees as soon as any challenge (like reading) presents itself. Also, there are no pandas in EVE.


While you are 100% right about the panda thing, I think that attitude may bring the players into an irresolvable conflict of interests with ccp. You cannot really ask of a company to change their product in a way that it scares away potential paying customers, only to make the older subscribers feel better about themselves....


But what if the change scares away the old customers? Whilst an influx of new customers is desirable, losing a loyal customer base that has provided a regular revenue stream for years just to attract potential customers seems a bit off.



Sure. They will have to find a good balance between the needs of the older and the newer customers. But even the older customers will someday quit. If no new players come at all, the game will then slowly die- and I am just assuming that the vast majority of CCP devs like their jobs and want to keep them, so getting new players into eve is inevitable.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
General Abitis
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#27 - 2012-01-18 22:31:27 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
General Abitis wrote:
but don't ppl find exploits anyway like the plex system,. using plex to make 16 subs to mine out entire systems all of which plays for free while making billions of isk for yourself in the process?


That is not an exploit. Nor is a PLEX free. For it to exist, somebody has to pay CCP. With your scheme, that payment for the PLEX would not exist.


actually you pay isk for plex, though they now have it setup where CCP is trying to sucker noobs to buy plex to make it look like you can play for free longer
Ai Shun
#28 - 2012-01-18 22:32:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Sure. They will have to find a good balance between the needs of the older and the newer customers. But even the older customers will someday quit. If no new players come at all, the game will then slowly die- and I am just assuming that the vast majority of CCP devs like their jobs and want to keep them, so getting new players into eve is inevitable.


True, they need to balance the new player experience with the core design appeal of EVE as it is now. I can imagine it must be a very difficult job maintaining the original philosophy without selling out, while still attracting a MMO generation that has been fed on paper-mache, simplistic games.

Interesting though, from the CSM Minutes:

CSM Minutes wrote:
The meeting ended with some fun data about subscribers – apparently if a user has been subscribed to EVE for three years or more, that user is very unlikely to leave EVE


That is from page 6. There is some interesting reading there on players and behavior.

Edit:

General Albitis wrote:
actually you pay isk for plex, though they now have it setup where CCP is trying to sucker noobs to buy plex to make it look like you can play for free longer


And where does the PLEX come from? Does it just magically rain like mana from the heavens?

Somebody had to PAY CCP real world cash for it, then Redeem it and put it on the marketplace. It is more expensive, dollar for day, than a subscription and thus makes CCP more money than a subscription does. (1 PLEX from CCP is $19.95. 1 month sub from CCP is $14.95)
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-01-18 22:35:41 UTC
disagree. It really only takes a few weeks to determine if you will like the game. If someone likes the trial, they can sub for just a month or so to further test it
General Abitis
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#30 - 2012-01-18 22:44:17 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Sure. They will have to find a good balance between the needs of the older and the newer customers. But even the older customers will someday quit. If no new players come at all, the game will then slowly die- and I am just assuming that the vast majority of CCP devs like their jobs and want to keep them, so getting new players into eve is inevitable.


True, they need to balance the new player experience with the core design appeal of EVE as it is now. I can imagine it must be a very difficult job maintaining the original philosophy without selling out, while still attracting a MMO generation that has been fed on paper-mache, simplistic games.

Interesting though, from the CSM Minutes:

CSM Minutes wrote:
The meeting ended with some fun data about subscribers – apparently if a user has been subscribed to EVE for three years or more, that user is very unlikely to leave EVE


That is from page 6. There is some interesting reading there on players and behavior.

Edit:

General Albitis wrote:
actually you pay isk for plex, though they now have it setup where CCP is trying to sucker noobs to buy plex to make it look like you can play for free longer


And where does the PLEX come from? Does it just magically rain like mana from the heavens?

Somebody had to PAY CCP real world cash for it, then Redeem it and put it on the marketplace. It is more expensive, dollar for day, than a subscription and thus makes CCP more money than a subscription does. (1 PLEX from CCP is $19.95. 1 month sub from CCP is $14.95)


lol CCP seeds it in the market but now i think they let the off-game plex buyers seed it in the game now which is very bad considering the potiential of players farming unlimited isk for those that are wealthy in life
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-01-19 06:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
General Abitis wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Sure. They will have to find a good balance between the needs of the older and the newer customers. But even the older customers will someday quit. If no new players come at all, the game will then slowly die- and I am just assuming that the vast majority of CCP devs like their jobs and want to keep them, so getting new players into eve is inevitable.


True, they need to balance the new player experience with the core design appeal of EVE as it is now. I can imagine it must be a very difficult job maintaining the original philosophy without selling out, while still attracting a MMO generation that has been fed on paper-mache, simplistic games.

Interesting though, from the CSM Minutes:

CSM Minutes wrote:
The meeting ended with some fun data about subscribers – apparently if a user has been subscribed to EVE for three years or more, that user is very unlikely to leave EVE


That is from page 6. There is some interesting reading there on players and behavior.

Edit:

General Albitis wrote:
actually you pay isk for plex, though they now have it setup where CCP is trying to sucker noobs to buy plex to make it look like you can play for free longer


And where does the PLEX come from? Does it just magically rain like mana from the heavens?

Somebody had to PAY CCP real world cash for it, then Redeem it and put it on the marketplace. It is more expensive, dollar for day, than a subscription and thus makes CCP more money than a subscription does. (1 PLEX from CCP is $19.95. 1 month sub from CCP is $14.95)


lol CCP seeds it in the market but now i think they let the off-game plex buyers seed it in the game now which is very bad considering the potiential of players farming unlimited isk for those that are wealthy in life



After that comment you are now also on my "You're a Moron" list.

These forums are maxing out my ingame notepad with all the names of Morons.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Ai Shun
#32 - 2012-01-19 07:44:39 UTC
General Abitis wrote:
lol CCP seeds it in the market but now i think they let the off-game plex buyers seed it in the game now which is very bad considering the potiential of players farming unlimited isk for those that are wealthy in life


Well, you see the bee flies around space, looking for a pretty flower. No, that's not a Goon. It's a bee. When it sees a flower, being attracted by the beautiful opening of her petals, he will settle on the stamen and begin to collect her sweet nectar. While the Go ... bee ...

Oh?

You didn't want to know where PLEX really comes from? Well, my idea is closer to reality than your cockamamie theory!
Tiberius Sunstealer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-01-19 07:59:44 UTC
If it takes 3-6 months for someone to decide, why have I had someone decide within a few hours? I don't think increasing the amount of days allowed in a trial will change anything. Within 2-3 weeks, you'd have been able to run all the tutorials and got a basic feel for the game and decide if you like it or not.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-01-19 10:34:13 UTC
Zosius wrote:
First time I ran WH sleepers I had no idea about such thing as "pos" or D-scan.

first time i got into WH it was WTF???? Shocked
I still remember how i was shocked by this nice universe around. How was it interesting to scan anomaly. How i visited sleepers first time to find i have no chance against them. How i forgot to bookmark WH exit Big smile How i ejected from my ship to not blow it and killed myself to enter WH again and find my ship there.... How i got caught and killed by some people there sitting next to my other ship and scanning Big smile

Zosius wrote:
This is the most fun way to play this game and the fun only lasts when there's still stuff to learn.

completely agree. After 1 year of Eve i don't feel that smell of unknown universe around. I've seen and tried almost anything....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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