Intergalactic Summit

Not everyone around here are just "assasins" or "killers". Some are just soldiers. Captains of warships, defending our homelands.

Enemies are attacking our lands. Occupy our planets. Even our homeworld. Gallentes torture prisoners of war, they genocide our colonists in Black Rise. Violate treaties. Endanger our culture and way of life. They destroy what we create, they brainwash peoples to believe freedom is good. They brainwash people to force them into inefficient and archaic democracies just to have upper hand over more advanced societies by sheer number of gallentean occupants. They attack us. They invade.

And our duty is to fight, to protect what is dear to us.

After all, each killed Federal swine can be someone's saved life. Or even tens of lives. Maybe hundreds, or even thousands.

When they come to kill us, to kill who are just living their lives how they want, who just say "NO" their indecency and rules, that they set just to dominate others, killing them in reply feels not just comofratble, it feels RIGHT thing to do. They don't understand words, they can't be trusted in diplomacy. And we, soldiers and captains of war machines must do our part.

Which is killing the murderers. Killing the gallenteans, those, who come to our lands with weapons in hands.

You can't just tell them to go away. You must kill them before they kill others.

I have tried to find the initial date of the Federation Military invasion/conquest of Caldari space and have been unsuccessful. If anyone can give me that date I would appreciate it.

The historical record I have found seems to indicate that the Caldari State as it existed at the time, without threat of impending military conquest joined the Federation and agreed to the terms of membership voluntarily.

Whatever the reasons that motivated their split it was not based on the Federation suddenly doing new evil things or changing from what they initially presented themselves to be. It seems more like the power brokers in the corp leadership of the Caldari State had buyers remorse after joining the Federation and lost patience or were unsatisfied with the legal available methods to sever the relationship peacefully and in frustration resorted to violence.

Now this is not to say that a closer examination of historical records will prove or disprove that the Federation was unreasonable when they discovered Caldari dissatisfaction with membership in the Federation had grown to rebellion levels. Cultural blind spots on both sides seemed to put them both on a collision course with violence and then home grown Caldari terrorists sparked the shooting war.

I say this to disprove those who use phrases like the "Federation Occupation" to reference a time in history when a member of the Federation, (the Caldari State) chose to sever connections with the Federation without following the legal nonviolent methods that membership in the Federation requires. The Federation in my opinion was unwise in trying to force a group of people to stay in the Federation when they clearly wanted to leave. The Federation was in a position that was hard to quickly disentangle themselves from after being welcomed into Caldari space for many years a population of Federation citizens that were not loyal to the cultural Caldari were making their homes in traditional Caldari planets and territory. To simply walk away from them and leave them to the tender mercies of a dissatisfied former member no doubt seemed an unwise choice. The Federation did not start out as occupiers of Caldari space, they were native neighbors and then welcomed guests and eventually legal partners. The Caldari are the side who initiated the violence that ensnared both sides when the relationship no longer satisfied their needs.

If I have any facts incorrect I would welcome/like to have links to legit sources so that I can correct my analysis.

I think had both sides been a little wiser the shooting conflict could have been avoided by allowing the Caldari to leave the Federation on terms and a timetable acceptable to them. In retrospect it seems the Federation mistakenly might have thought the Caldari could be dissuaded from leaving the Federation. That has proved to be an error in judgment that has cost uncounted hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides.

The tragedy of an ongoing conflict that should have never reached the shooting war level is a shame for all of humanity in the New Eden Cluster, the people of the Caldari State and the Federation both deserve better.

After the peace was signed in YC12 with a Treaty of Tierijev, Caldari Prime stayed in Gallente Federation's hands, so, technically, it was still occupied until YC110.

(Ref. "Modern Era of the Gallente Federation", Cooperative Century)

((pretty sure those are articles from the old wiki, might be on the backstage wiki thing. I could be wrong))

How hard is this to understand, people?

1. Caldari corps establish undeclared, illegal, colonies.
2. Federation orders them to render them to the Fed.
3. Caldari announce intention to breakaway from the Fed.
4. Fed denies this as a legal recourse.
5. Demonstrations erupt amongst both Caldari and Gallente populations.
6. Stupid murderous terrorists breach Nouvelle Rouvenor.
7. Stupid Fed Navy blockades Caldari.
8. Stubborn Caldari refuse to yield.
9. Stupid murderous Fed Navy bombs Caldari.
10. Great Hero Tovil-Toba saves Caldari.
11. Caldari flee to colonies.

The above leads to a little tension and bad feeling and a wee war breaks out. The rest of the story is just a series of boots of different shapes and sizes stamping on a series of different human faces forever. The end.

0. Before the incident with colonies has occured, there happened two more major events:
*) First, the FTL communications were developed, and gallente started translating their indecency to Caldari homeworld. Such outrage and lack of culture set a lot of Caldari hostile to them.
*) Second, real power over Caldari people started to shift from puppet pro-gallentean democratic states on Caldari Prime to Megacorporations.

1. Colonies existed way before the Federation and they weren't illegal.
1a. Before the incident it was absolutely legal to establish colonies.

2. The decision to order the colonies to be transferred to Federation authority was pushed through by gallente ultranationalists. Legality of this demand still can be disputed. But it is a vivid example, how democracy can force will of others to subjugate minorities.

3. Breakaway from the Federation was not just announcement, it was a factual breakaway too. And it was the day the Caldari Navy was formed. We didn't just declared intention to leave. We had declared that we have left.

4. Again, the legality of such action is dubious. They didn't deny us, as we already were separate State. Federals have blockaded the Caldari Prime with their warships.

5. There were not just demonstrations. Gallente on Caldari Prime has splintered into "Free Caldari Army", that was known by their atrocities.

6. The terrorists who breached Nouvelle Rouvenor were neither stupid, nor murderous. They were heroes, who sacrificed their lives.

7. As I have said, blockade happen earlier, and terrorist attacks together with sparkled racism by both Caldari and Gallente has happened already on the blockaded planet.

8 and 9 should be swapped places. Because the first action of Federation was to bombard Caldari Prime for a whole day, and only after that they demanded surrender. Of course we didn't surrender, and the ground invasion has began.

10. Well... I have a lot to say about this, but let this stay as is.

11. We didn't "flee" to colonies. We have evacuated most of the personnel there, thanks to Adm. Tovil-Toba and the following ceasefire that lasted for one year. But after that the war has lasted for 80 years, with us trying to return Caldari Prime back after it was overrun by Federal forces.

Okay, let me try it then.

1. Caldari Prime was coerced into joining the Federation.
2. Caldari got angry at Gallente for spreading propaganda of indecent lifestlyle through FTL comms.
3. Corporations started getting power and Mathias Sobaseki blamed gallente in subsuming Caldari.
4. Federation found Caldari colonies outside of Federal space, managed by Caldari apolitical entities (Megacorporations, instead of gallente puppet democratic states on Caldari Prime)
5. U-nats took control in the Federation and after Caldari said that they won't accept democracies in these colonies, nationalists demanded complete transfer of the colonies to the Federation, despite that having independent colonies was legal at that time.
6. On this demand Caldari responded with immediate and effective secession from the Federation, forming independent Caldari State.
7. Federation launches a military campaign to blockade Caldari Prime - now belonging to seceded Caldari State.
8. Racism sparks on Caldari Prime from both sides - entrapped Gallente and Caldari alike. Atrocities are committed from both sides.
9. A partizan group known as Templis Dragonaur (unaffiliated with CEP of newly formed Caldari State) demolishes whole gallente city of Nouvelle Rouvenor.
10. Gallente respond with a bombardment of Caldari Prime for whole day.
11. Gallente invade Caldari Prime.
12. Invasion halts, but Caldari State decides to evacuate civilians from the planet to save them from gallente atrocities.
13. Gallente begin second invasion of Caldari Prime, as lifeless planet will disturb their economy.
14. Great Hero Tovil-Toba saves Caldari and forces the Federation into one year ceasefire.
15. Caldari evacuate war-torn planet.
16. War continues for 80 more years.
17. A peace is signed in YC12, Caldari Prime remains occupied by Gallente.
18. Caldari again in secrecy colonize Black Rise - a new region that was deemed unpassable by both Caldari and Gallente.
19. 10 June YC110 Tibus Heth finally liberates Caldari Prime and signs peace with Gallente.
20. After finding Caldari colonies in Black Rise the Gallente Federation begins new war campaign against Caldari State, now in peripheral regions.
21. YC115, in a violation of peace treaty of YC110, Gallente Federation invades Caldari Prime and occupies almost half of the planet.

Mr. Ronin, to be clear, from first contact the Caldari had always been a little ... well, stepped-on, by the Gallente. The Gallente found out there were people on Caldari Prime when the Caldari invented the radio, but it's not like they weren't really pretty far ahead of the Caldari at the time. The entity that headed the Gallentean mission to Caldari Prime was called the CDS, for "Cultural Deliverance Society," which really kind of says it all.

... and the Caldari have a really long memory.

Add in a Federation that they probably really did feel like they had no choice but to join, which was run as a democracy in which they were a permanent minority....

I'm told the Gallente learned a lot from their experience with the Caldari, but I do still see Matari complain about Gallentean attitudes towards you-- the condescension, the criticism of your most dearly-held customs, and so on. Consider, then, that back in the day they hadn't yet learned to be so tactful about it all. It culminated in what was arguably an attempt at genocide, and the exile of the Caldari from their homeworld, where their ancestors had lived and died.

It's not as simple as weakness and strength, heroes and villains. It's a storm of events and cultures and group identities and bitter resentment. To the Gallente, this might be ancient history, something to use to score rhetorical points but pretty much stuff that happened to other people long ago. To the Caldari, it's an unhealed wound, a grudge born out of decades and centuries of humiliation, verging in places on a blood feud.

Like I said, the Caldari have a long memory.

This maybe isn't a very good topic to try to beat Ms. Kim over the head with, Mr. Ronin. You'll have trouble making points the Gallente haven't already tried a few thousand times, but, also, and more to the point, she's not the only person you'll upset. If you're interested in finding a sympathetic ear for any cause you might have in the State, telling them their ancestors were weak is a really bad way to go about it.

Let us know when the Federation gives you back the rest of your homeworld. I'll take foreign aid over charity from our enemies any day. I'd also love to know how many died from that foreign power to free us.

He started it.

We gained aid from a foreign power to fight one of their enemies. Lets be honest here, our own blood was spilled for our freedom. Whether the tools were marked with an eagle, a couple arches, or simply rust and blood is irrelevant to us carving our own destinies out of what once was. Someone should remember who's fight is closer to its end goal. I'm sure our ancestors can be proud either way.