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AFK Cloaking™: Ideas, Discussion, and Proposals

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Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7541 - 2016-11-13 16:44:37 UTC
No.

Dismissing opinions on their demerits is not equal to ignoring them.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7542 - 2016-11-13 22:21:48 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
lulz@the "make mommy proud Honey Boo-Boo" school of debating techniques.


I still see zero kills since the beginning of October, and see maybe 1 or two per month since you started playing.

If you want to push for changes to PvP, make sure you actually *do* PvP first. You can prove your point any time. I will check your KB again in a bit to see if you're up for it.

Until then, keep on trolling, nullbear.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7543 - 2016-11-13 23:24:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
Well, since I am arguing for a change to cloaking mechanisms, would it not be uhm, more rational of you to demand that I prove I use cloaks?

I would give as many rats asses about your Honey Boo-Boo approach to discussion. But at least you would seem slightly more rational.

Heaven knows that is a worthy goal to strive for.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7544 - 2016-11-14 00:22:17 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Well, since I am arguing for a change to cloaking mechanisms, would it not be uhm, more rational of you to demand that I prove I use cloaks?

I would give as many rats asses about your Honey Boo-Boo approach to discussion. But at least you would seem slightly more rational.

Heaven knows that is a worthy goal to strive for.


No...your entire goal so far has been to have more targets in space to hunt in small gang roams. Until you prove you actually go on small gang roams, you're a joke.

So again, I'm watching your killboard to see if you're more than a PvE-ing nullbear. No kills for a long time I see. And maybe two kills per month since you started playing.

So what are you? A bored forum warrior who doesn't log in, or a PvE-er who is trying to make it easier for you to rat in null? It's one of the two.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7545 - 2016-11-14 00:32:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
No.

My goal is that CCP slap a 5 hour timer on the cloak modules.

Edit
You ok with just letting the Honey Boo-Boo line of reasoning rest now?

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#7546 - 2016-11-14 06:13:06 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
No.

Dismissing opinions on their demerits is not equal to ignoring them.


You might be on to something if you...you know....listed the demerits.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#7547 - 2016-11-14 06:53:21 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Jerghul wrote:
I am in the top quintile of most active pvp players even just by using the kill metric from z-boards. The threshold is very low.


No, no you aren't. You have 165 kills in eight years. That puts you squarely at the bottom of the rankings.

Again, when you care to actually start PvPing, let us know and we can start taking you seriously.

Again, stop trolling please.

You want me to take you seriously? Get a dozen kills this weekend that show up on your killboard. Until then? keep on being a nullbear looking for nerfs


Wow, if 165 in 8 years is top quintile my 2,822 kills must make me the best ever [/sarcasm].

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7548 - 2016-11-14 06:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
Listed many times oh disingenious one.

The problem is mainly that of reading retention. Posters read the demerits, and still regurgitate their tired old opinions without modification.

I can repost them again in reponse to future posts.

Since it seems to be by popular demand and all.

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Lets take our young friend by her word. I am a nullbear/semi-active (at best) forum warrior.

Well, I am still ranked 11540th most active pvp last 7 days (52kth/90 days, 162kth/alltime).

Which underlines my point that afk cloaky camping kills content and has to change.

As to the argument of 100% safe. My kill board has two screwups in the last two days of PvE ships that were shotgunned and caught in small gang roams (the catch was actually much higher, but I joined the fleet late. It was a corp thing, so you can validate if you like).

So that argument is disproven.

People make mistakes and will be caught if only they undock. They do not undock when afk cloaky camped.

Therefore, anyone interested in more pvp in nullsec

Will favour a tempered afk cloaky camp nerf.

Its fine to not want more pvp. Btw.

But try to formulate your alternate goal clearly.

Edit
Don't try sarcasm, friend. You are not very good at it.

Protip; when you have to type "look at me, I am using sarcasm", then you are doing it wrong.

Also, math fail. Rankings are not linear. You can easily check what your 2k kills rank you as. All time top 60kth or something?

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7549 - 2016-11-14 15:23:53 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Well, I am still ranked 11540th most active pvp last 7 days (52kth/90 days, 162kth/alltime).

Which underlines my point that afk cloaky camping kills content and has to change.

As to the argument of 100% safe. My kill board has two screwups in the last two days of PvE ships that were shotgunned and caught in small gang roams (the catch was actually much higher, but I joined the fleet late. It was a corp thing, so you can validate if you like).


You got more kills in the last 24 hours than you did for the last three months combined. You're welcome for me pushing you to actually undock. I just fixed your problem, without touching cloaking mechanics at all. Keep getting 5 or so kills every two days for the next month and I will start treating you seriously as a PvPer.

And no, we don't need to nerf AFK cloaking to make ratting in null literally 100% safe. I want to see more people get kills. You idea does the exact opposite of that.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7550 - 2016-11-14 16:56:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
"You got more [tripe]"

Not a single ship more died in the last few days than would otherwise have been the case (I may have saved a friendly inty, but that is doubtful).

The sorry state of pvp in EvE always had me as a top quintile pvp player (as the ranking shows).

Afk cloaky camping desperately needs a nerf to support content by increasing undocking frequencies in null-sec and making ships far more unsafe than they are today.

The absolute minimum intervention is introducing a command burst charge system giving cloaking modules in effect a 5 hour timer. A much harsher intervention may be required.

A rough estimate suggests there is currently a 2 trillion isk shortfall/month of destroyed ships (100ds of more ships a day need to die to keep hangar content stockpiles stable).

A nerf sooner, rather than later, would be nice.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7551 - 2016-11-14 17:23:32 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
"You got more [tripe]"

Not a single ship more died in the last few days than would otherwise have been the case (I may have saved a friendly inty, but that is doubtful).

The sorry state of pvp in EvE always had me as a top quintile pvp player (as the ranking shows).

Afk cloaky camping desperately needs a nerf to support content by increasing undocking frequencies in null-sec and making ships far more unsafe than they are today.

The absolute minimum intervention is introducing a command burst charge system giving cloaking modules in effect a 5 hour timer. A much harsher intervention may be required.

A rough estimate suggests there is currently a 2 trillion isk shortfall/month of destroyed ships (100ds of more ships a day need to die to keep hangar content stockpiles stable).

A nerf sooner, rather than later, would be nice.


You have 172 kills in eight years. That puts you extremely close to the bottom when it comes to PvP. But hey, if chestbeating is what your ego needs, go right ahead. Once you actually start undocking to hunt on a regular basis, we'll listen to your PvP related suggestions.

Until then, you can safely be ignored given what you suggest will do nothing but make nullsec PvE even safer than it is today.

You want null to be more unsafe than it is today? Nerf local. You want daily small gang fights? Move to LS or a WH.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7552 - 2016-11-14 17:44:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
Top quintile. As the kill board shows. Pathetic, you say.

But that is the sorry state of pvp in Eve.

Afk cloaky camping needs a 5 hour timer nerf at the bare minimum - sooner, if not before.

Making ships in null-sec much more unsafe.

Because they will undock more.

Your not seeing this just proves the perception of safety is more important than actual safety.

And that a slight nerf to afk cloaky camping will be seen as making null-sec safer, when in fact it becomes less safe.

Incidentally, this goes for local buffs too.

Real time information in null-sec needs to be enhanced slightly to break alliance monopolies on multi system early warnings and give individual players a perception of greater safety.

So that they undock more.

Because content.

Edit
It does not matter that you do not get this. Its only important that the developers (or rather the intern) gets it and conveys the relevant bulletpoints.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7553 - 2016-11-14 17:50:16 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Top quintile. As the kill board shows. Pathetic, you say.

But that is the sorry state of pvp in Eve.

Afk cloaky camping needs a 5 hour timer nerf at the bare minimum - sooner, if not before.

Making ships in null-sec much more unsafe.

Because they will undock more.

Your not seeing this just proves the perception of safety is more important than actual safety.

And that a slight nerf to afk cloaky camping will be seen as making null-sec safer, when in fact it becomes less safe.

Incidentally, this goes for local buffs too.

Real time information in null-sec needs to be enhanced slightly to break alliance monopolies on multi system early warnings and give individual players a perception of greater safety.

So that they undock more.

Because content.



/sigh. no, it shows you have 172 kills in eight years. That puts you firmly at the bottom of killboard rankings. You don't even undock to fight more than once/month (if that often), and you think you're a PvP-er? Come on man. Show me at least a few kills per week for the next two months and maybe we can talk.

Stop trying to protect PvE-ers.

Let's get rid of local, and introduce actual risk to nullbears like yourself. so people can be caught and not hide behind a 100% safe intel system. because content.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7554 - 2016-11-14 18:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jerghul
It places me in the top quintile, if not the top decimal. I find it amusing that you struggle so with understanding the data the killboards provide.

Introducing the perception of more risk will decrease the number of undocked ships and increase the number of ships enjoying absolute safety in their docking bays.

Making null-sec a lot more safe by virtue of making it a lot more empty.

1 ship is currently dying for every 3 ships that should die to give a better balance between end production and space destruction in EvE.

So, not only does afk cloaky camping need to be nerfed

Real time information sources need to be enhanced.

In order to foster a perception of greater safety so that more ships undock and become vulnerable to pvp.

So not only are you wrong.

You are 180 degrees wrong.

EvE development needs to go in the opposite way that you want.

But by all means. Keep your niche wormhole space environment. Far be it for me to dictate how things should be in the space you play in.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7555 - 2016-11-14 18:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Sonya Corvinus
Jerghul wrote:
It places me in the top quintile, if not the top decimal. I find it amusing that you struggle so with understanding the data the killboards provide.


As little kills in eight years as many people get in a month makes you good at it? There's nothing wrong with your playstyle at all, I'm not insulting you so I'm not sure why you're taking this so personally. Doing nothing but PvE in null is a perfectly fine way to play the game.

I'm just waiting for someone with actual nullsec PvP experience (more than a handful of kills over eight years) to chime in and give their opinion.

If someone refuses to undock because they are afraid of dying, they have no business living outside of highsec. That's the root problem here, and you're adding to it.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7556 - 2016-11-14 18:27:29 UTC
Woot@taking personally.

I am simply pointing out that I am at the very least in the top quintile (that means the top 5th, or top 20%) of EvE player pvp experience.

I also find it sweet that you are suggesting I am one of CCPs most prized customers who has maintained a subcription over 8 years and paid the company 1000nds of dollars over the years (In truth, I might be pushing 750 bucks - all purchases included. I don't really want to know the exact number...lest my wife find out).

Its adorable that you maintain I have been checking out the status of pvp with 2 monthly kills on average, and have a extremely good timeline understanding of what pvp was, is, and should become.

But to recap

Nothing is safer in null-sec than remaining docked.
Null-sec becomes less safe as more players undock and spend time in space.
A perception of safety leads to players undocking more often.
Nerfing afk cloaky camping increases the perception of safety.
Buffing real time information sources increases the perception of safety.

Nerfing afk cloaky camping and buffing real time information sources must be done sooner, rather than later.

Because content.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7557 - 2016-11-14 18:40:00 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Woot@taking personally.

I am simply pointing out that I am at the very least in the top quintile (that means the top 5th, or top 20%) of EvE player pvp experience.


Nothing personal at all. I just am not reading the same stats you are. You hardly ever undock to PvP. Someone with 2,000 kills and 1,000 deaths over one year is a better PvP-er than someone with 100 kills and no deaths over five years.

Given you're not someone with experience PvPing, it's hard to take your opinions seriously on the matter. Nothing wrong with that. I've never done industry, so I don't give suggestions on it. It's the same thing really.

But again, if you want more risk in null and more targets, nerf local. More players undocked with a 100% safe intel tool means the economy tanks given they can't be caught. so, nerf local.

because content. you adorable troll.
Jerghul
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7558 - 2016-11-14 18:52:29 UTC
Why yes. Someone with a 1000 kills would be ranked far higher than me, and would be in the top single % of players.

I am merely ranked in the top quintile (or perhaps top decimal).

I am a very experienced pvp'er compared to everyone else who has played EvE.

The rankings do not lie.

But again,

If you want more pvp and kills in null-sec, then

Buff local (break the alliance monopoly and inter system intel)
Nerf afk cloaky camping.

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#7559 - 2016-11-14 19:11:59 UTC
Jerghul wrote:
Why yes. Someone with a 1000 kills would be ranked far higher than me, and would be in the top single % of players.

I am merely ranked in the top quintile (or perhaps top decimal).

I am a very experienced pvp'er compared to everyone else who has played EvE.

The rankings do not lie.

But again,

If you want more pvp and kills in null-sec, then

Buff local (break the alliance monopoly and inter system intel)
Nerf afk cloaky camping.


Ok PvE-er. Again, when you actually hunt a bit, let us know. Your rhetoric here is getting as bad as CODEs. At least put some effort into this if you aren't going to post with a character with an impressive killboard.

Stop trying to buff risk free PvE. It's painful to read at this point.
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#7560 - 2016-11-14 19:33:39 UTC
Sorry to break your bubble Jerghul, but CCP has said multiple times, last one was at Eve Vegas, that they think local gives too much intel and are looking to decouple the intel from local.

Wormholer for life.