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skill injector vs buying a toon

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triggerman Onzo
G3AR WAR
#1 - 2016-11-11 06:33:05 UTC  |  Edited by: triggerman Onzo
hi, just wanted to get a few opinions on. I've recently bought a few injectors to get my sp up so i can fly a few different ships and also do some HQ incursions(sniper mach). My main question would be, in the long run would it be better to save up to buy a toon(30-50b) or just buy the same amount in injectors?

edit: obviously if going injector route, i wont be spending it on spaceship command alone. mostly using it to get shield/engineering/gunnery/hull support skills to V before i start rolling around in dreads with large turrets lol.
Brynjard
Meaal Contractors
#2 - 2016-11-11 09:03:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Brynjard
30-50b is quite alot ISK for a newer player.
I would say injecting a few skill injectors now and then if when you have some ISK to spare.
If you buy a toon with alot of skill points, you might also pay for alot you don't want to train or don't need.

If you only look to compare price.
It depends on the toon total SP.
50 bill / 600mill = 83 skill injectors = something over * 33 mill SP.
A toon worth 50 bill should be at least 35 mill SP from my point of veiw.
Remember skill injectors are 500K SP under a total SP limit.
When limit is reached, a skill injector decrees to 400K.

You don't need a 35mill SP character to enjoy the game. It's like climbing a ladder.
My toon is only 40, and there is tons of ships I cannot fly. So if you have that feeling "if only I had 30 mill more SP I could do lot's of ****"
Forget that. Go on, do stuff while training, yield and DPS will be lower, but measure it in fun.
Taishoku Mayaki
Feeling Cute Today
#3 - 2016-11-11 09:18:49 UTC
Issue with buying a char is you don't tend to have a connection with it, I know a lot of people who have bought a character for an awful lot of isk for one reason or another then they never use it. Or worse it just turned into a high-SP handbag.

Dreads are pretty skill intensive and have very limited use, I have three and only un-dock one every two weeks. Don't expect to get a lot of fun out of it, less you're willing to join a corp like Project Mayhem who will deploy them often for good kills.

In general if you're very targeted and have a good source of isk you probably could just inject what you want long as you have under 40M SP.

"Right-O, lets get undocked and see what falls off the ship"

Taurean Eltanin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-11-11 09:41:58 UTC
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Issue with buying a char is you don't tend to have a connection with it, I know a lot of people who have bought a character for an awful lot of isk for one reason or another then they never use it. Or worse it just turned into a high-SP handbag.


This is why I've never given any serious thought to buying a character. It's never going to be my character. I'd much rather buy the injectors, even at a higher cost.

Of course, if you can find a high SP character for cheap (perhaps they have a poor selection of skills), you can drain them of SP by using skill extractors, and then injecting them into your main toon. Run the numbers, and see if it works out cheaper that way.

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Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#5 - 2016-11-11 10:49:13 UTC
There are 2 considerations:

- First, character skill and player skill are not the same thing. A shiny ship is little more than an expensive lossmail if you don't have the knowledge and experience to fly it properly. You can't buy that knowledge and experience on the Eve market - you need to earn it the hard way, by playing the game. You learn just as quickly flying cheap ships.
- Once you've decided you need an ALT it's time to think about build or buy. Buying a stripped character on the bazaar will be a bit less expensive than multiple character training and a lot less expensive than injectors. It can take a while to find a good fit but I've purchased a couple of industrial characters and am happy with the decision. Injectors are "instant gratification". Useful if you need a particular skill and don't want to wait a week to train it the normal way.
DJ puar
Covert Economics
#6 - 2016-11-11 11:30:30 UTC
Might be easer to low ball a bid on a toon than on SP
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#7 - 2016-11-11 11:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Taishoku Mayaki wrote:
Issue with buying a char is you don't tend to have a connection with it


You build a connection with it imo, after years of owning it and moulding it into what you want and building the chars reputation the previous owner becomes irrelevant, sort of like adopting an animal or a child

Just my personal opinion from experience

Buying a character when i started the game was the best decision i ever made

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Memphis Baas
#8 - 2016-11-11 13:34:09 UTC
Since CCP introduced injectors, the price of toons in the Character Bazaar has increased to match their injector value. BUT, the toon price matches the RAW injector value, because most of the toons are bought by character resellers who just strip them of skillpoints and sell the injectors.

So a 100 million SP toon costs the equivalent of 200 injectors, +/- a few billion ISK profit for the seller.

So if you pay for a toon you get the toon with 100M skillpoints.

If you pay for 200 injectors you get 200 injectors. And then you have to inject them, with diminishing returns. Your 200 injectors will result in a 74 million SP toon, injected from scratch.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#9 - 2016-11-11 14:24:41 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Taishoku Mayaki wrote:
Issue with buying a char is you don't tend to have a connection with it


You build a connection with it imo, after years of owning it and moulding it into what you want and building the chars reputation the previous owner becomes irrelevant, sort of like adopting an animal or a child

Just my personal opinion from experience

Buying a character when i started the game was the best decision i ever made


True, but the point of the others is that usually people that buy a character don't play it for years. _IF_ they stick with it, then what you said, but lots of people I know just end up selling that character for another, and then another.

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OP,

If you are an established player go for it. If you really are a Newbie, I don't recommend spending that much before you've established yourself in game. You definitely don't want to spend all that money on making your character great at incursions, then find out you don't like doing incursions.

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#10 - 2016-11-11 14:39:32 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Taishoku Mayaki wrote:
Issue with buying a char is you don't tend to have a connection with it


You build a connection with it imo, after years of owning it and moulding it into what you want and building the chars reputation the previous owner becomes irrelevant, sort of like adopting an animal or a child

Just my personal opinion from experience

Buying a character when i started the game was the best decision i ever made


True, but the point of the others is that usually people that buy a character don't play it for years. _IF_ they stick with it, then what you said, but lots of people I know just end up selling that character for another, and then another.

--

OP,

If you are an established player go for it. If you really are a Newbie, I don't recommend spending that much before you've established yourself in game. You definitely don't want to spend all that money on making your character great at incursions, then find out you don't like doing incursions.


yeah agree with this, ive bought a lot of characters and ended up selling because i didnt like the activity they were focused on, i always enjoyed pvp from the start of the game so once i decided i liked the game and enjoyed pvp i decided to buy a char with good core skills and some nice pvp/pve ships available, allbeit when i bought mine that price was half and the money wasnt really an issue.

imo if you are going to buy a character think of the wider situation, i went for a pvp pilot which had the right skills to be able to make money through pve aswell (excellent core skills, fly machs and other popular pve ships and standings with pirate lvl 4 agents etc while also being black ops capable and the common pvp doctrine ships).

standings is another thing you dont get with injectors, it didnt make me any better at the game it just gave me more options and opened more doors to what i could do in the game in turn making it a lot more fun

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Keno Skir
#11 - 2016-11-11 15:30:06 UTC
Learn the game instead of buying your way to the top. You WILL be rubbish at the game and lose all your expensive ships if you don't start somewhere at least close to the bottom.
triggerman Onzo
G3AR WAR
#12 - 2016-11-12 05:27:36 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Learn the game instead of buying your way to the top. You WILL be rubbish at the game and lose all your expensive ships if you don't start somewhere at least close to the bottom.


obviously not splurging on skill injectors just to get a T2 ship sitter, if i do get an injector im using it on skills like rapid firing V or energy grid upgrade V. tbh it feels more of a QOL upgrade then anything else.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-11-12 06:54:09 UTC
Grow your own char and inject from time to time complementing your normal skill training. That's what I'm doing. Maybe more expensive but you have the full control over every single skillpoint and what others said, it's your char. Reputation and emotional attachment can't be bought with ISK.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Keno Skir
#14 - 2016-11-12 14:04:29 UTC
triggerman Onzo wrote:
Keno Skir wrote:
Learn the game instead of buying your way to the top. You WILL be rubbish at the game and lose all your expensive ships if you don't start somewhere at least close to the bottom.


obviously not splurging on skill injectors just to get a T2 ship sitter, if i do get an injector im using it on skills like rapid firing V or energy grid upgrade V. tbh it feels more of a QOL upgrade then anything else.


That's a fair comment and i came in a little blunt perhaps. I had you pegged as yet another "I don't wan't to wait to fly massive ships so i'm going to buy my way to the top" people :). These people invariably end up padding a frigate killmail with their brutal 8Bil faction BS loss and are laughed at for ever more. They tend to become disillusioned when their high tech gear still gets wasted by a single t1 frigate or cruiser and it's hard to convince these people that SP has less to do with success than actual player skills learned in game.

My suggestion is that you do as you say, use injectors for core skills and make sure you still spend time in t1 frigates, cruisers, BC etc before rushing straight into the larger hulls. The lessons you will learn flying cheaper more disposable ships are what will keep you alive in a battleship later on, not so much having the SP to fit a big tank or loads of DPS.