EVE General Discussion

Remove local already!

This sounds a lot more complicated than just removing local.

I wrote long and mathematical post, then forum ate it.

Long story short;

300 m/s covop bomber creates 3 mil km3 sphere from point a (pinpoint location). Decloaker has sphere of 65 km3 where he decloaks peeps. Likelihood of success? Nil unless the covop was stationary.

In same scenario, the covop moves 70 km towards target, 20 km in 90 degree angle from that trajectory. All that in the first 5 minutes, being in a spot where enemy who lands at the spot the sb started and burns directly at target would still not decloak the sbomber.

Further in said scenario, the enemy has pinpointed the 70 km worth of direct burn and the 20 km degree turn. However active sbomber pilot has again had 90 km worth of traveling to use to throw off the tracker who again has 3 mil km3 of area where the sbomber "might be." Ofc if the sbomber warps to SS midway and spends time there, things get even more interesting.

So for active sbomber pilots the only negative impact is that after 5 minutes of being "in grid" enemy will know that you were in said grid 5 minutes ago.

But the benefits for AFK cloakers? Two types, those who orbit and those who move in straight line, the ones who sit still die to direct pinpoint warpins.

AFK cloaker who moves in orbit can be determined by 3 "pinpoints" that seem to form a circle, with that it's easy to either check the distance to object the person is orbiting and take ceptor/just sit and wait for the afker to finish his orbit as he will return to spot a.

Direct line moving afk cloaker? Once you have a, b and c as locations "where the ship was" you can just take faster ship and burn in direct line determined by those spots, you'll catch him.

Cloaking macros without covop cloaks that move slowly? Will die horribly, truly horribly unless they logoff/start to warp between SS's.

This ofc requires eve to start keeping score where cloaking ships were x minutes ago, which increases server db load, hence CCP will most likely implement something that will be more horrible (provides direct warpin to cloaked ship/makes it targetable in grid.)

They don't need to know where on grid we are, just that we are there. The moment they see the cloaked ship was here 5 min ago message, they'll reorganize their fleet to easily tackle and kill any bombers that decloaks.

What a bomber do is wait for the enemies to relax and do some kind of error. If they get remainded every 5th minute that someone is there hunting them, that will never happend.

Also highlight + ctrl c your post before posting ^^

I would tbh prefer CCP to fix their forums so that they wont eat forum posts.

As for enemy changing it's composition, then you've achieved one point, you've managed to change enemy into posture that you'll be able to field effective counter against. Yes, it requires you to not be solo and instead have friends who will come in ships designed to kill fleets that have prepared to snatch the sbomber.

Sure, it will somewhat nerf to solo bomber action against gate blobs but in a same way if the change is done via scan probes instead of dedicated new ship, the solo bombers will have ton of new targets when they can start probing down to the SS jumping, cloaking ratters in null sec. Lose some gain some kinda deal.

The trouble lies in envisioning system that prevents afk cloaking being 100% foolproof(as they are now) but still keeps non-afk cloaking as viable as it is now.

The whole idea is stupid. AFK cloakers are only a danger to afk players i.e. bots. I suppose weak minded null bears might find the presence of an afk cloaker demoralizing, but so what? The current mechanics are not broken. Leave it alone already.

well guess we can say that all power bocs with SOV will support this. I actually saw an item a few years back (out of game) that was like a Interdiction bubble but was designed to decloak ships within a certain radius. CCP should hold off on this change until they have a clear plan on what they want to do with low/null intel/local. AFK cloakers are great for intel and everyone has a right to said intel. Best thing about it, is everyone does with this system as it is now. What one corp can do, another can do to them (and probably does).

Covert ops are used for intel and have no other function other than gathering information.

My issue is if CCP does implement a ship or module that can do this, you will then have people complaining about how it is NOT EFFECTIVE ENOUGH and WHHAAA WHAAA its too time consuming WHAA WHAA then CCP will take those tears and make it (over time) easier and easier to find these ships, doing away completely with a ROLE that was being used as intended, intel.

someone in the feedback thread compared it to SWG/NGE and as that is an extreme comparison, that is the result when you start talking about DOING AWAY WITH ROLES in a RPG!!

So ...an AFK (person away from keyboard) in a cloaked ship is only dangerous to a piece of software automating a series of tasks in Eve ... Do you understand how stupid that statement is as I believe bots don't care or are not programmed to give a damn if they are being observed ? Next, caller we will be answering the question of a falling tree making a sound if no-one is there to hear it.


The only thing I believe we should have in Eve is a counter to a threat. Perceived or real. Something that can be used to nullify it. The AFK cloaker is one area that we do not have this and I would ask that a counter be developed. Whether that is a timer that disables the cloak after a long period of inactivity or a cloak needing a fuel - I would like to see a counter made

The cloak hunter is there to remind people who think they are safe with their cloak modules on are in fact, not safe and should keep on their toes.

Ships (Destroyers) that are able to detect invisible predators lurking in the deep?

Sounds like the happy time is nearing its end.

risk in eve, who would have thought it!