Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I completely agree with this statement, although we take it to mean two entirely different things.

Players who dock up the moment a non-friendly enters local and refuse to operate in space until said non-friendly leaves absolutely kill content.

On no local.

I rather suspect we will soon see what pseudo sov looks like without local. The rumour mill says Goons are busy buying skill injectors and T3 destroyers for a horde of individual members. That makes Goon sense only if annexing a huge chunk of wh space is on the table. I am not sure what the delay is. Just waiting for the citadels to bulk up their drops when destroyed I imagine.

Check the import numbers in their mighty trillions. Lets see how viable the lifestyles of this thread's wh-heroes turn out to be in a sov type kind of warfare.

Good luck without local. It will be a blast.

I dont care what atk players do in space.

Functional literacy. Such an important, yet underrated skill.


No one is 100% safe in space.

Ever.

Unless afk cloaky camping.

This is EvE 101. New players are supposed to know this before undocking for the first time.

And yet you...you don't get it.

I suggest you direct more of your attention to QA what no local looks like in a sov-like environment. The Goons are going to annex a huge chunk of wh space.

Lets see how no local looks in practice against an actually serious foe.

What part of afk dont you understand?

There is no way for an afk cloaky camper to make a human error

BECAUSE NO HUMAN IS AT THE KEYBOARD.

Geeze.

If you don't get that by now, then your opinions on this matter can be dismissed entirely.

Dismissed.

Or you could go and read the many, many, many posts I have on that topic already.

Hell, I have some just in the last 3-5 pages. Coming in here an posting an idea that has been posted dozens of times and expect people to take you seriously....I'm sorry. Do some rudimentary research. The very first post in this thread has a huge list of proposed ideas, it has a link to my old thread where I collected even more proposed ideas.

The short answer is why should ATK cloakers have their game nerfed to address AFK cloakers?

Really, when a ship is cloaked how much DPS does it do?
Can a cloak ship lock another ship?
For a ship to shoot you it has to decloak...and once it does you can shoot it. See, balance.

Here is an entirely non-controversial statement: nobody in game has ever lost a ship to a ship that was cloaked.

Shush you. Of course local does not kill content....never mind that like you said, local is what informs people of these dangers and thus dock up and is also why AFK cloaking works.

"could" A player can screw up where they cloak as well. Someone could have seen them log off last night and saved their safe, then decloaked them. You're talking like no one has ever been decloaked in the game.

AFK cloaking poses no threat to anyone, and CCP has said it's a viable way to stay safe (given you can't hurt anyone and can't make ISK)

So stop whining and just admit you're a null ratter who doesn't undock to fight off attackers. That much is obvious about you by now.

And it's painful to listen to you. How many WH corps do you actually know? (given you've never been in one).

I have to hand it to you, you are getting creative in the BS you are throwing around trying to "win" this thread. Kudos.

If they are not ATK then there is no could about it.

Could is subjective...what is really going on is asymmetric information. The guy wanting to PvE has incomplete information and he uses something akin to minimax strategy--i.e. they pick the strategy that minimizes the largest possible loss. That's fine, but then the problem is also with the way players behave. It is like with freighter ganking and people only complaining about the gankers and not that the freighter pilot put way, way too much ISK in his boat.

When people employ these strategies and other players figure out how to counter those strategies that's fine. That is the point of this game.

BTW Goons are very, very rarely seen in this thread and when they do show up it is very, very rarely to complain about AFK cloakers. Because they are on comes, they have people who can cyno in from other systems. Somebody tackles and drops on a ratting carrier in Goon space they are often met with overwhelming response.

Same thing with roving gangs in Goon space. Some of the best roams I've been on were through Goon space back in the day. We'd go up into Cloud Ring and Pure Blind and poke them, and sure enough they'd have a fleet chasing us around and there'd be a running battle. Good times.