Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding how missions work. This is in general a solo experience and to make any reasonable amount of ISK you need to be able to do them solo and fast. Solutions like "Asks your friends to protect you" would require me to pay them 80m ISK/h for the 40m ISK/h I make from missions just to cover what they cannot make by standing by for the occasional loot ninja. And then I just even the odds.

Also flying with PvP equipment is a death sentence for certain missions, where you have to use every available slot perfectly fitted against the enemies to a) survive and b) do missions fast because ISK/h. Sitting in a battleship I need at least 3 mid slots to be competitive to a PvP aggressor, that would leave a shield tanker 3 slots for defense, which dramatically increases the chance to explode even without PvP interference.

Also you cannot buy mission objectives for most missions simply because no one would sell the only possible item that is required to complete the mission. There are certain missions that drop extra items like the good ol' militants, but that's an exception to the rule. So most of the time if the ninja looter gets the mission objective you are screwed and can basically log off for the day, because you cannot abandon the mission, so you have to wait for the next restart so the mission gets reset, this time hopefully without ninja looter.

And how would I get there first? Sitting in a battleship that is already slower than a MWD Battlecruiser and then again and MWD is hardly a good choice for a mission ship because you need the slot and the cap to do the actual mission.

And on top of that I am by no means suggesting to stop PvP, I am actually proposing the opposite: if disrupters are forbidden in High-Sec then the very first thing I would do is to fight back. So this would actually increase PvP by a lot, but I guess that is the actual fear of all those PvP-carebears in this thread, that the target is fighting back and they might actually loose a fight.

If you're playing EvE solo, you're doing it wrong. It's as simple as that.

If your friends won't come run missions with you, you need a better quality of friends.


Outside burner missions, name one mission where you have to have a ship fit absolutely perfectly or you can't do it? I've run every single lvl 4 mission, outside burners, in an effing drake. Perhaps the phrase "git gud" applies here?


Wrong. Look in contracts, that's where you find most mission items. Additionally, if you're not a whiny liitle carebear about it, most loot thieves will sell you the mission item for a decent price. After this thread that you started, however, don't expect to ever get your items back, and expect to have more people chasing you down.


Perhaps you need to learn how to use a MWD. I only fit MWD, MJD, or both on my mission ships. AB is a waste of time.


I think you need to re-read the GCC rules, as if completely removing all nonconsentual highsec PvP isn't your goal, then you're misusing the words suspect and criminal. Suspect flag allows anyone to shoot you, criminal flag gets you Concorded if you're in anything but a pod.

Here's how your suggestions work under GCC.

1. The whole "no matter why, how and who" bit at the end make players get concorded for pointing wartargets. This is direct removal of nonconsentual highsec PvP, as there's absolutely no way to keep legal targets from warping away.
2. So my corpmate drops in on you, loots one of your wrecks to get a suspect flag, and you run screaming like a little girl from the big bad suspect. Now, by time my corpmate has warped out of your mission, he's down to 20% armor on a shield tanked ship. Your idea would have me concorded for using my armor repair drones to bring him back if I don't wait the 14m 59s between when you panic warped and his suspect timer expired.
3. Attacking valuable player structures is already a criminal act. Deployables, like the MTU, are not valuable structures, hence the suspect flag.
4. Looting anything from another player's wreck is a suspect act, and makes you a target for everyone. You're directly asking CCP to intervene because you are unwilling to take the necessary steps to protect yourself. In all the years I've spent missioning in highsec through my decade plus in EvE, I've had mission items stolen from me twice. It's not hard to make yourself less of a target to the loot thieves.

Here's a suggestion. Go see your medical care provider, ask him to perform a rectal-cranial extraction, realize you're not playing a solo game, and ask people in your mission hub who the groups around there that chase suspects is.

Pvp is often used as shorthand for player versus player combat. In this thread this seems to be the case as well. When using the broader definition of player versus player gameplay though, it's easy to realize that the OP already does this, but wants to outlaw strategies that aren't his own.

As a mission runner you sell goods from the LP store. And even if you are not actively fighting the 0.01 ISK war against other mission runners, you are still stealing customers from them. This remains true even if you're only farming the stuff for personal use, since otherwise you yourself might be a customer. And at the end of the day the mission runner that farmed enough LP for 2 RF Gyros has accomplished just as much as the mission runner who has only farmed one, but can sell it for twice as much since he has kept 20 other people from putting theirs on the market*. (Ballpark figures, but you get the idea)


Also while figuring out a new mission for the first time can be exciting, rescuing the damsel for the third time all on your own can be pretty bland. As someone who switched to combat exploration (slightly different from missioning and with more player interaction) I have to say this: A contested site is a challenge. An uncontested site is a chore.




* Same is true for ISK from bounties and rewards, although mission runners are way below carrier ratters there.

In general I am against the op ideas.

Instead of all the hassles as proposed a simpler solution would be space magic where mission required items simply appear in your cargo hold when you kill the right thing, get to the right place etc. Would not really affect the ninja looters and the gankers but solves the basic problem the OP is asking to solve.

OP setting your wrecks as abandoned as you create them has been an effective tool for me.
Ninja looters that are there for the loot appreciate you doing this since it removes any possibility that they would be attacked. At least to this point in time the vast majority of them have returned any mission required items when asked.
Those who warp into your missions to fight you will often simply warp out when faced with field of blue wrecks. No wrecks to steal from and no MTU they have nothing left but a direct ganking style attack on your ship. Even then the blue wrecks serve as a warning tool, if they do not warp out immediately when faced with a field of blue then you best warp out now while you still have the chance because it is likely they are a scout for a gank squad.

As usual I fell off my chair laughing at the bring friends to protect you comments. We are talking about high sec here folks, you know the place where friends are worthless because they can do nothing to protect you because aggression mechanics. When these comments are posted one has to wonder how long it has been since that person actually spent any time in high sec.

When applied to the problem of someone stealing mission required items friends can helpful often getting to the required items before anyone else.

As others have mentioned these required items are usually available in the contract system, and even if they are not quitting the occasional mission because is not that big of a standing hit and easily and quickly overcome If this is happening to you enough that the combined standing hits would be problematic then I propose that you need to find another area to mission in.

Never agreed with this.
If you want to play EvE solo, go ahead, there's nothing wrong with it at all.
Just understand that some "NPC's" are smarter than others...
...almost humanly so.

--Gadget

Totally agreed.

--Gadget

I'm a carebear, I was once not happy with idiotic players stealing, I still don't like them but ultimately I don't give a sht about them or the loot, the loot is as one other pointed out almost entirely trash, so I could care less if I get trash pickers picking thru the trash, but if it's the principal of it just blow up wrecks as you go.

Most of those players who do this stealing fall into 2 categories

1. Low skill player who can't earn anything so they go for the lowest hanging fruit, most of them will never stay long term in the game because they have no real plans and just wander around.


2. A grief baiter, another type of low life who calls it PVP but they are almost entirely after lolz.


Both are trash, both should be ignored, there are things you can do doo to keep the poop at bay but it requires that you take steps to layer you game play.

Why shouldn't I be able to steal your mission objectives? So far you've failed to provide any reasoning beyond "grr PvPers." If you want to overturn one of the core tenets of EvE, the fact that at no time are you 100% safe, you need a much better reason than you getting butthurt that someone took your cookie.

Perhaps you should try playing the game. Right now you're nothing more than an NPC with a slightly better AI and much better reward for making you pop.

You know you can always change mission hub, some of them are popular and get crowded of ....
Find a nice quiet system and mission there :)

IKR. I have a bit as well, Raw, though nowhere near as much as Ralph does. I did it for about a week before some former corpmates asked me to go back to null, but I'll sell you what I have for a reasonable price.