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Greed is not good

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Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#1 - 2011-09-16 13:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Look what happens when you get greedy:

http://geeks.thedailywh.at/2011/09/15/netflix-losing-customers-of-the-day/
Netflix losing 1,000,000 subs in october over +60% price hike

stupid forums wont let me link it -.-

They thought the could raise their prices 60% like how CCP thought we'd have no issue with a MT store injected into out MT free game.
You... maybe... ever think one of the main reasons we liked this game was
BECAUSE IT WAS MT FREE?

Yeah, thats my last bit of anger on that topic. The genie is out of the bottle now, "theyre gonna stay the course" and "watch what we do not what we say" but as others have said, hopefully when they start seeing people leaving theyll realize they screwed up. When online numbers used to be 35-40k at 9 pm Eastern US time when the past week or so its been 25 - 30k

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#2 - 2011-09-16 13:42:30 UTC


Even after Netflix pulling a prison shower scene on us it's still the best deal out there. Only thing I can't stand more than commercials is paying to watch commercials on cable or paying to watch, "We are aware of the problem, no reason to contact us." on satelite TV.

I don't mind WIS/MT has long as it comes second to FIS. MOAR Spaceships! Where's my F'in Star Destroyer!

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.

Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2011-09-16 13:52:05 UTC
Read this article in the Economist, it explains the reasons behind netflix direction quite well. DVD's by post hell why not VHS!

http://www.economist.com/node/21526314

with a 15% drop in shareprice, I am considering buying some myself! Investors! meh, sheep with 1 week attentionspan!

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]

CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2011-09-16 13:58:23 UTC
I wish I had NetFlix here in Iceland Straight

On the topic of greed: Greed cannot be good as the definition requires excess. Greed is a state of restlessness and it is not to be confused with ambition, necessity or drive. When Ivan Boesky coined the phrase in question he, hopefully, meant to inspire ambition and drive. At least I see no gain from muddling up the definition to include grey areas.
Necessity is amoral. Ambition and drive are good as if taken to extremes they are actually greed.

But yes.. I wish I had NetFlix! That is clearly the main point of this post!
Chrandon
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-09-16 14:04:01 UTC
I only did the streaming and I think it is actually a decent deal. The movies are pretty terrible but had a couple good ones every month. Has a lot of tv shows though which is what I mainly watched.

I did recently cancel though, but I wanted to play some more games instead of sitting in front of the monitor watching tv......plus had to drop $2k on a transmission for my car so had to cutback on a couple monthly payments :P
Hooch Flux
Flux Unlimited
#6 - 2011-09-16 14:05:29 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
I wish I had NetFlix here in Iceland Straight

On the topic of greed: Greed cannot be good as the definition requires excess. Greed is a state of restlessness and it is not to be confused with ambition, necessity or drive. When Ivan Boesky coined the phrase in question he, hopefully, meant to inspire ambition and drive. At least I see no gain from muddling up the definition to include grey areas.
Necessity is amoral. Ambition and drive are good as if taken to extremes they are actually greed.

But yes.. I wish I had NetFlix! That is clearly the main point of this post!


Dude, you gonna like pass that?Big smile
Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
#7 - 2011-09-16 14:15:01 UTC
I too am a moral crusader! YARR! Pirate

Oh wai... it's a game! Big smile

Speak with your subscription not with your keyboard, friend.
As a paying subscriber, I tire of you and your ilk mucking up the forums with the same tired and naive arguments.

The vast majority of games in the market now contain some kind of non-vanity products, promotions, specials, or deals.
Whether I like that fact or not is inconsequential, enough people evidently do or it would not be trending in the gaming industry like it is. You are vastly outnumbered by people easily gulled into purchasing non-vanity products just to have something the guy next to them does not merely because he is unwilling to use or does not actually have the disposable income to do so. You know the greater irony here is that the NEX pricing actually prevents masses of these same people from taking full advantage of it, which I find most interesting to be honest. If CCP wanted to milk it as much as possible, they would have made NEX items more readily accessible to a wider demographic than they did. Interesting.

I am unfortunately in the position of either accepting the fact that in today's industry more people than not are willing to take part in these ventures or I simply have to stop playing.

Which do you think I am going to choose?

Yes, yes, EVE is a beacon of light in a sea of inequity! A champion of player rights in opposition to all the evil nefarious games out there trying to make money off us and CCP is trying to take that away from us! ...only it is not, and never has been.

Welcome to the real world.

...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie.

Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#8 - 2011-09-16 14:21:08 UTC
As a shareholder of Annacot Steel, I beg to differ.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2011-09-16 14:21:39 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
I wish I had NetFlix here in Iceland Straight

On the topic of greed: Greed cannot be good as the definition requires excess. Greed is a state of restlessness and it is not to be confused with ambition, necessity or drive. When Ivan Boesky coined the phrase in question he, hopefully, meant to inspire ambition and drive. At least I see no gain from muddling up the definition to include grey areas.
Necessity is amoral. Ambition and drive are good as if taken to extremes they are actually greed.

But yes.. I wish I had NetFlix! That is clearly the main point of this post!



I know CCP has an Economist on board, and now it seems they have hired an in-house Philosopher as well :) And if that's not the case, I nominate CCP Prism for the job! Wise words....

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2011-09-16 14:25:03 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
I know CCP has an Economist on board, and now it seems they have hired an in-house Philosopher as well :) And if that's not the case, I nominate CCP Prism for the job! Wise words....


Thanks for the kind words sir, but I've been here since Oktober 16th 2006 Blink
Besides, CCP Xhagen is our in-house philosopher. I don't debate for purpose, I debate because I like debating. Lol
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#11 - 2011-09-16 14:26:31 UTC
Chrandon wrote:
I only did the streaming and I think it is actually a decent deal. The movies are pretty terrible but had a couple good ones every month. Has a lot of tv shows though which is what I mainly watched.

I did recently cancel though, but I wanted to play some more games instead of sitting in front of the monitor watching tv......plus had to drop $2k on a transmission for my car so had to cutback on a couple monthly payments :P



I did the 3 disc with streaming package I think i was $16.99 when I signed up. It's over $25 with taxes now. Streaming is the best part. I Like the TV shows, I would never have seen without Netflix. Like I said in my other post I can't stand commercials. Jeremiah, Jericho, Married with Children, Family guy, That 70's Show, Southpark, Rome, Sparatcus and countless Documentaries. Sometimes you even find a good movie.

Sucks about the car. As far as streaming I hooked up a small LCD to Blu Ray player next to my Mac. Usually just listen to Docu's while playing. setup

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.

CCP Manifest
CCP Retirement Home
#12 - 2011-09-16 14:31:27 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
I know CCP has an Economist on board, and now it seems they have hired an in-house Philosopher as well :) And if that's not the case, I nominate CCP Prism for the job! Wise words....


Thanks for the kind words sir, but I've been here since Oktober 16th 2006 Blink
Besides, CCP Xhagen is our in-house philosopher. I don't debate for purpose, I debate because I like debating. Lol


He's also our in-house GIGANTIC VIKING, so in the slim chance he doesn't out philosophize you, he will simply pummel you with the psychic strength of his mohawk.

======== o7 _CCP Manifest | Public Relations and Social Media | @ccp_manifest_

CCP Xhagen
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2011-09-16 14:41:47 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
CCP Prism X wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
I know CCP has an Economist on board, and now it seems they have hired an in-house Philosopher as well :) And if that's not the case, I nominate CCP Prism for the job! Wise words....


Thanks for the kind words sir, but I've been here since Oktober 16th 2006 Blink
Besides, CCP Xhagen is our in-house philosopher. I don't debate for purpose, I debate because I like debating. Lol


He's also our in-house GIGANTIC VIKING, so in the slim chance he doesn't out philosophize you, he will simply pummel you with the psychic strength of his mohawk.


My hair has psychic strength? Pirate

CCP Xhagen | Associate Producer | @strangelocation

DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-09-16 14:47:26 UTC
Wait a minute...
So not every at CCP is a viking?

Not interested anymore, cancelling sub.

Blink
Signal11th
#15 - 2011-09-16 14:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Mendolus wrote:
I too am a moral crusader! YARR! Pirate

Oh wai... it's a game! Big smile

Speak with your subscription not with your keyboard, friend.
As a paying subscriber, I tire of you and your ilk mucking up the forums with the same tired and naive arguments.

The vast majority of games in the market now contain some kind of non-vanity products, promotions, specials, or deals.
Whether I like that fact or not is inconsequential, enough people evidently do or it would not be trending in the gaming industry like it is. You are vastly outnumbered by people easily gulled into purchasing non-vanity products just to have something the guy next to them does not merely because he is unwilling to use or does not actually have the disposable income to do so. You know the greater irony here is that the NEX pricing actually prevents masses of these same people from taking full advantage of it, which I find most interesting to be honest. If CCP wanted to milk it as much as possible, they would have made NEX items more readily accessible to a wider demographic than they did. Interesting.

I am unfortunately in the position of either accepting the fact that in today's industry more people than not are willing to take part in these ventures or I simply have to stop playing.

Which do you think I am going to choose?

Yes, yes, EVE is a beacon of light in a sea of inequity! A champion of player rights in opposition to all the evil nefarious games out there trying to make money off us and CCP is trying to take that away from us! ...only it is not, and never has been.

Welcome to the real world.



You could have just said " I don't agree" but no you moan about people using the same "tired and naive arguments" but then proceed to spout the usual pro-CCP crap that everyone else does. Good Work Fella I for one salute your attempt.

In counter to your "wider demographic" (loving the words) argument if everyone can have who would want it? I don't want it now ,let alone if it was 10 times cheaper. It's tat, like the stuff you win at a fair, worth nothing and about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

All that junk in the NEX store is to pander to the egomaniacs, children,mentally deranged idiots that think that by somehow buying this stuff they will be seen as the elite, upper echelons of a non existant group of players. These people are sheep blindly led into conveyor belt of completely useless and gawdy items but because they have one it massages their need to feel more supreme either by allowing them to be part of a a supposed "select" group which look down upon the masses or then even worse "I bought this so I can show how lame it is brigade".

Just because something is the norm doesn't mean it's right or correct, just take a look back in history for any one of a thousand things.
I like EVE I'm probably addicted to it in some way and at the moment as the NEX store is selling junk it doesn't bother me, that may or may not change in the future.

It's only the "real world" because sheep like you let it be.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

CCP Fallout
C C P
C C P Alliance
#16 - 2011-09-16 14:55:42 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Wait a minute...
So not every at CCP is a viking?

Not interested anymore, cancelling sub.

Blink


I was made an honorary Viking because my potty mouth can scare the bejesus out of most villages we **** and pillage.

CCP Fallout Associate Community Manager EVE Online @ccp_fallout

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-09-16 15:02:32 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
CCP Prism X wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
I know CCP has an Economist on board, and now it seems they have hired an in-house Philosopher as well :) And if that's not the case, I nominate CCP Prism for the job! Wise words....


Thanks for the kind words sir, but I've been here since Oktober 16th 2006 Blink
Besides, CCP Xhagen is our in-house philosopher. I don't debate for purpose, I debate because I like debating. Lol


He's also our in-house GIGANTIC VIKING, so in the slim chance he doesn't out philosophize you, he will simply pummel you with the psychic strength of his mohawk.



Viking philosopher best philosopher.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Mendolus
Aurelius Federation
#18 - 2011-09-16 15:02:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Mendolus
Signal11th wrote:

You could have just said " I don't agree" but no you moan about people using the same "tired and naive arguments" but then proceed to spout the usual pro-CCP crap that everyone else does. Good Work Fella I for one salute your attempt.

In counter to your "wider demographic" (loving the words) argument if everyone can have who would want it? I don't want it now ,let alone if it was 10 times cheaper. It's tat, like the stuff you win at a fair, worth nothing and about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

All that junk in the NEX store is to pander to the egomaniacs, children,mentally deranged idiots that think that by somehow buying this stuff they will be seen as the elite, upper echelons of a non existant group of players. These people are sheep blindly led into conveyor belt of completely useless and gawdy items but because they have one it massages their need to feel more supreme either by allowing them to be part of a a supposed "select" group which look down upon the masses or then even worse "I bought this so I can show how lame it is brigade".

Just because something is the norm doesn't mean it's right or correct, just take a look back in history for any one of a thousand things.


Your personal opinions do not change reality for anyone but you.

Morality and ethics are two very distinct concepts, and you cannot attribute moral profundity to an entertainment product, only to necessities.

Capitalizing on people's pain and suffering by hiking prices on gas in a disaster zone, is immoral.
Capitalizing on people's desire for entertainment and charging them whatever price you want, is not.
Unethical, maybe in some countries, but immoral, hardly.


Edit: Who said I am pro CCP? I am not. I pay for access to an entertainment product; if I am at any point unhappy with that product, I will simply stop paying for it. I need not harbor ill will towards any one group or company to base my personal entertainment experiences off of, as they did not design this game nor support it solely for me or those like me.

Now, whether they flub things for a vast majority of subscribers is another matter, and yet to be seen. This is where my argument comes in, if enough people are willing to pay for vanity items, why are you crying foul that a commercial enterprise attempts to sell them said vanity items?

Are you... daft? P

...clearly the Ishukone Watch Scorpion is the fifth horseman of the Apocalypse, i.e. the Brown Rider, otherwise known as Poopie.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2011-09-16 15:11:36 UTC
CCP Manifest wrote:
[quote=CCP Prism X]

He's also our in-house GIGANTIC VIKING, so in the slim chance he doesn't out philosophize you, he will simply pummel you with the psychic strength of his mohawk.




As long as the future of Eve Online is hands of guys like this, I feel much more confident about where we're going. :)

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#20 - 2011-09-16 15:14:09 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
CCP Manifest wrote:
CCP Prism X



As long as the future of Eve Online is hands of guys like this, I feel much more confident about where we're going. :)


You accidentallied some extra text into your comment. So I fixed it for you! Pirate
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