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[GalFed] Villore Assembly: on Federal Immortal Clone Programmes
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Zeiki Amatin
Isonomia
#1 - 2016-11-04 08:18:08 UTC
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Resolution VA/03/04

Second Villore Assembly

Sponsors: Tressith Lithi Sefira, Templar Thal Vadam, Charles Cambridge Schmidt, Kador Ouryon

Signatories: Aedre Lafisques, Sammie MacWinters, Kolodi Ramal, Tristan Valentina.

Endorsements:

Topic: “Suggestion of increased Transparency and Awareness relevant to the Federal Immortal Clone Programmes”

The Villore Assembly,

Cognizant of the lack of regulation and standardisation of the process of becoming an Immortal Clone (colloquialism; Duster) in the Federation,

Understanding the need for a coherent official pathway to qualify for the Federal Immortal Clone programme,

Appreciating that a standardised process will increase the number of applicants and eventually the number of Federally-loyal Immortal Clones,

Calls for the Federation to establish a Federally controlled Immortal Clone programme, should such a programme not already be in place, comparable to the Empire’s Templar programme in regards to its public-sector nature and directness of loyalty. In recognition of existing terminology used by Immortal Clones within the Federation, recommends that this programme be called the Elysian programme,

Recommends that the Federation consider these criteria as valuable, though not deterministic individually, in creating a public and official pathway into the Immortal Clone programme and becoming an Elysian:

  1. That those who have served in the Federal military, a registered Federal security company, or Federally recognised police force have their eligibility prioritised in the process of becoming an Elysian;
  2. Federal accolades and awards, duration of employment, references, court martials and other punitive actions against;
  3. Certifications and Licences required to operate Industrial and Military machinery extending to: Baseline Terrestrial Vehicles,
  4. Drones, Cloned Soldier Vehicles, Lethal Autonomous Weapons (LAW), Motorised Torso Accentuated Chassis (MTAC);
  5. Certifications and licences required to possess and apply: sub-military standard weapons, Riot Suppression Agents (RSA), Personal Protective Equipment (PPE);
  6. Certifications and degrees required to practice medicine, with special emphasis on battlefield triage;

Requests that the Clone Programme information become more readily available to individuals who could potentially meet recruitment criteria.


- Press Secretary Zeiki Amatin
Villore Assembly
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-11-04 19:56:15 UTC
REMINDER


As the Gallente Federation is in state of war with Caldari State, ANY and EVERY one signed for military service for Gallente Federation will be a subject to immediate termination on contact by State Protectorate, Caldari Navy and any other military and paramilitary forces, that are bringing order to our cluster.

The termination of Federal military and paramilitary forces can be executed by State Protectorate and Caldari Navy forces in: High security space, including Gallente Federation space, Low security space and Null security space.

The termination of Federal loyalists can be executed by any interested in bringing order to cluster capsuleers only in Low security space and Null security space.


To those, who wish to bring order and stop spreading of this plague, I call to grab weapons and kill as many gallentean lapdogs as possible.

They will pay for their crimes.

Glory to the State!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tressith Sefira
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#3 - 2016-11-04 20:10:55 UTC
Well that's just rude. I worked hard on that resolution. I kinda like it.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-11-04 20:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Excuse me, ma'am! But I didn't do anything to the resolution itself!

I only warned those, who might decide to join the Federation - that there will be no safe space for them, and they will be hunted and shot down as rabid dogs, as they deserve.

I didn't mean anything bad or rude!

Addendum:
Oh, and also I have invited all the pilots to join the hunt as well. I am sorry, it wasn't really the best place, but still. Everyone are invited! And sorry again for shameless advertisement.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-11-04 21:01:39 UTC
Shameless indeed. Shame!

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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#6 - 2016-11-04 21:15:27 UTC
Interesting projects from VA all around, keep up the good work here. One suggestion though, I think it would be nicer if you could interview some of the signatories - easily understandable opinions are better for the broader audience.

Don't let extremist warmongers affect your work.

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Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-11-05 05:49:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Nomistrav
You'll be hard pressed to find much value in this resolution, I'm afraid. Shortly before he went missing, a friend, Aeon Amadi, spoke of significantly increased difficulty in the process of becoming an 'Elysian', as it were. New policies and procedures on behalf of the Mercenary Corps seems to have limited access strictly to a select few, and this is not limited to just the Federation. Apparently, Genolution themselves may have restricted the usage and availability of combat clones, despite no public word (at least, none that I'm aware of).

I've been searching for Aeon for several months now. Last I heard, he was heading to Syndicate space.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-11-06 19:51:11 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:
You'll be hard pressed to find much value in this resolution, I'm afraid. Shortly before he went missing, a friend, Aeon Amadi, spoke of significantly increased difficulty in the process of becoming an 'Elysian', as it were. New policies and procedures on behalf of the Mercenary Corps seems to have limited access strictly to a select few, and this is not limited to just the Federation. Apparently, Genolution themselves may have restricted the usage and availability of combat clones, despite no public word (at least, none that I'm aware of).

I've been searching for Aeon for several months now. Last I heard, he was heading to Syndicate space.


That is both interesting and disheartening news.

In light of that however there is more reason to present this resolution here and now; before these pathways are set in stone and unofficially monopolised by private mercenary corporations. Consider the good a corps of these immortals could do for the people of the Federation. The incomparable strength and advanced physiologies alone would make them suitable first response teams to industrial accidents and natural disasters; or perhaps even as paramedics and fire suppression teams given their particular brand of immortality.

If you ever do happen to contact Aeon Amadi send him my regards.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.
Tressith Sefira
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#9 - 2016-11-07 18:57:49 UTC
I think it's plain to see that the cluster needs DUSTers, and, too, DUSTers need the cluster. I can't count how many conversations I've encountered between capsuleers bemoaning that it's too easy to become un-moored from their humanity when ships take them so far from the ground that a home can be built on. DUSTers shouldn't face that same problem.

Period.

We don't leave the ground. Why do the empires empower us so, then release us to, what, independence? Being a mercenary should be A choice; not THE choice. At the very least, DUSTers should have the option to stay close to home, the way the Amarr Templars can.

Ideally, I'd like to see every empire, the State, the Republic, and the Federation form their own DUSTer corps such as the Amarr Templars. I hope the Federation and the Senate will consider the idea of the Elysians seriously. I know more than one of my peers feel an immediate and pressing loyalty to the Federation, and crave the ability to serve it and be recognised as an agent for it, the way capsuleers can serve in the militia.

In the wake of so many DUSTers becoming unemployed as the Jin-Mei Civil War resolves with the help of Sanxing, proper public employment with the powers that be could lend a sense of security to DUSTers who crave service.

This ain't the only resolution on DUSTers I'll be trying to work through the Assembly. Look forward to more in the future.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2016-11-08 03:09:11 UTC
One thing I will say is that if you are building a paramilitary force and you don't already have some DUSTer special forces then you shouldn't let the absence of a pretty piece of paper stop you. Whilst they are wonderful against regular troops, they are absolutely essential against their own kind.

Don't delay, employ some today.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-11-08 12:37:22 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
One thing I will say is that if you are building a paramilitary force and you don't already have some DUSTer special forces then you shouldn't let the absence of a pretty piece of paper stop you. Whilst they are wonderful against regular troops, they are absolutely essential against their own kind.

Don't delay, employ some today.


Yeah. I learned the hard way not to even spar with DUSTers. Hence my eye.

*a link is provided to security footage from 7RM - B E A N S T A R 's simulated CQB testing environment. Jason's voice and mannerisms would be recognizable to those who've heard him on fluid router channels as coming from the tan suit of armor*

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Templar Thal Vadam
Dark Sefrim Six
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2016-11-08 14:34:31 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
One thing I will say is that if you are building a paramilitary force and you don't already have some DUSTer special forces then you shouldn't let the absence of a pretty piece of paper stop you. Whilst they are wonderful against regular troops, they are absolutely essential against their own kind.

Don't delay, employ some today.


Yeah. I learned the hard way not to even spar with DUSTers. Hence my eye.

*a link is provided to security footage from 7RM - B E A N S T A R 's simulated CQB testing environment. Jason's voice and mannerisms would be recognizable to those who've heard him on fluid router channels as coming from the tan suit of armor*


Damn right son. Who is that by the way? I'd spar with her.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2016-11-08 21:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Templar Thal Vadam wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
One thing I will say is that if you are building a paramilitary force and you don't already have some DUSTer special forces then you shouldn't let the absence of a pretty piece of paper stop you. Whilst they are wonderful against regular troops, they are absolutely essential against their own kind.

Don't delay, employ some today.


Yeah. I learned the hard way not to even spar with DUSTers. Hence my eye.

*a link is provided to security footage from 7RM - B E A N S T A R 's simulated CQB testing environment. Jason's voice and mannerisms would be recognizable to those who've heard him on fluid router channels as coming from the tan suit of armor*


Damn right son. Who is that by the way? I'd spar with her.


Allison Church, formerly of Isuuaya Tactical. Nicknamed "Agent Texas" for the purposes of the simulation training.

Piece of advice?

Wear a goddamn cup.. *shudders*

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-11-12 06:07:16 UTC
Infantry clones still have a lot of issues to work out before the Federation, or any Faction for that matter, can trust the technology. Apart from the obvious growing pains of new technology, the infantry clones were subject to many terrifying sort of problems. Aeon informed me, during the ANON - TSOLE war in Molden Heath, that many of his clones seemed to have some sort of disruption in the optical implants; that his vision would seem to stutter. This combined with weapon failures and a plethora of other discrepancies really made me question whether or not they were... ready.

Then there's the issue of giving the power of immortality to people who are arguably more dangerous than any capsuleer. I don't make this suggestion lightly, as it comes with a great deal of consideration, but consider for a moment that the technology used is more advanced than the Capsule technology. It provides unhindered access to remote cloning and that provides a way for less reputable individuals to do nefarious things. I've heard stories of these entities doing outright reckless things, like opening air locks on active ships, or committing suicide for gambling or sport (something involving a small arm with several chambers and only one round chambered).

It really does make you question whether that is the sort of integrity we want from the Faction militaries.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Tressith Sefira
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#15 - 2016-11-13 18:45:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tressith Sefira
Ah, yes, mister capsuleer. Technology so advanced and so dangerous is better given to free agents with no ties of loyalty. Even if they had them before they became DUSTers. Oh yes, Capsuleer, flying your multi-billion isk ships with thousands of crew members below you, killing other multi-billion ships with thousands of baseliner crews for nothing more than a green kill board - not even for the defence of a nation and peoples, mind. Tell me more about how potentially destructive and unstable DUSTers are.

Your logic is weak and your perspective isn't human.

The technology exists. We DUSTers exist, no matter your strange and ungrounded conspiracy theories regarding the idea that DUSTers aren't continuing to be 'made.' Whether you capsuleers enjoy sharing your immortal power or not; each of your concerns read as one insecure in their own status and power trying to belittle others in theirs. Each concern you voiced would be better spent criticising Capsuleers. Whereas your concerns are rhetorical in regards to DUSTers, they are reality proven over and over in regards to Capsuleers.

How insecure you sound comparing DUSTer power to Capsuleer power. We at least have to see, be on the same field of battle of those we fight. Your group boasts orbital bombardment and doomsdays. Your group never just kills a single person. When you pop another's ships, you talk in terms of dozens, all the way up to thousands and past. And that is, again, a single ship. Killing a single ship and no more in a day is considered an exercise of considerable restraint by your group. You worry about those on the ground who have to see what and who they're doing... Boo hoo. Take a closer look at yourself and your friends. Or is it you're afraid of sharing power, and spotlight, with some other contenders you have no direct power over?

You are not a DUSTer. Talking to your single, apparently missing, apparently unstable friend does not make you an expert on us nor our lives.

This resolution has been passed. By the time I'm done, DUSTers will be treated to the same opportunities and rights they did when they were baseliners, because that's the real issue here. DUSTers do not have the same opportunities, rights, and protections as baseliners nor Capsuleers.

A resolution will be made for researching, developing, and improving DUST technology.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-11-14 06:23:44 UTC
Tressith Sefira wrote:
Ah, yes, mister capsuleer. Technology so advanced and so dangerous is better given to free agents with no ties of loyalty. Even if they had them before they became DUSTers. Oh yes, Capsuleer, flying your multi-billion isk ships with thousands of crew members below you, killing other multi-billion ships with thousands of baseliner crews for nothing more than a green kill board - not even for the defence of a nation and peoples, mind. Tell me more about how potentially destructive and unstable DUSTers are.

Your logic is weak and your perspective isn't human.

The technology exists. We DUSTers exist, no matter your strange and ungrounded conspiracy theories regarding the idea that DUSTers aren't continuing to be 'made.' Whether you capsuleers enjoy sharing your immortal power or not; each of your concerns read as one insecure in their own status and power trying to belittle others in theirs. Each concern you voiced would be better spent criticising Capsuleers. Whereas your concerns are rhetorical in regards to DUSTers, they are reality proven over and over in regards to Capsuleers.

How insecure you sound comparing DUSTer power to Capsuleer power. We at least have to see, be on the same field of battle of those we fight. Your group boasts orbital bombardment and doomsdays. Your group never just kills a single person. When you pop another's ships, you talk in terms of dozens, all the way up to thousands and past. And that is, again, a single ship. Killing a single ship and no more in a day is considered an exercise of considerable restraint by your group. You worry about those on the ground who have to see what and who they're doing... Boo hoo. Take a closer look at yourself and your friends. Or is it you're afraid of sharing power, and spotlight, with some other contenders you have no direct power over?

You are not a DUSTer. Talking to your single, apparently missing, apparently unstable friend does not make you an expert on us nor our lives.

This resolution has been passed. By the time I'm done, DUSTers will be treated to the same opportunities and rights they did when they were baseliners, because that's the real issue here. DUSTers do not have the same opportunities, rights, and protections as baseliners nor Capsuleers.

A resolution will be made for researching, developing, and improving DUST technology.


That was a lot of words for a contrarian. Last any of us checked, you still have the same rights as any baseliner; any of us. You're just not allowed out of a combat zone in a combat clone for obvious reasons. So as far being treated with the same opportunities and rights... I think you're fishing for an argument. Unless you're seriously advocating for the right to carry live firearms in stations, in which case I'll remind you that even we capsuleers aren't allowed to just shoot at ships in the faction territories. So that "resolution" is redundantly formalizing the obvious.

Now as to your bold assertion as to my "not being a Duster", and talking to my "single, missing, apparently unstable friend", I'll remind you that I was in Molden Heath for quite a long time, for the better part of a year or more. It was a hell of a lot more than "one ship" and it was a hell of a lot more than one bombardment. Were I afraid of sharing power (a laughable accusation at best) I wouldn't have fought so bloody hard to keep an entire constellation under our control. I wouldn't have watched countless video streams, live, as I shot the rounds down on the planet and I certainly wouldn't have donated my time, services, and expertise to these people you apparently speak for the whole of.

As to your "resolution" for researching, developing, and improving Dust technology; kindly remind me where the hell the new conscripts and recruits are, for I see nary a single one besides the aforementioned - and very much still closed - mercenary corporations.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2016-11-14 15:27:52 UTC
Frankly, I prefer soldiers like Triss and Thal over the dangerously unstable criminals that the Feddies were pumping full of illegal combat drugs and then releasing onto the battlefield.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Yarosara Ruil
#18 - 2016-11-14 15:53:36 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Frankly, I prefer soldiers like Triss and Thal over the dangerously unstable criminals that the Feddies were pumping full of illegal combat drugs and then releasing onto the battlefield.


A few of them couldn't spell their name, had malfunctioning translators and had call signs that only a drug addled brain damaged mercenary would come up with.

And I miss every last one of them. Vuorassi feels so empty nowadays...
Slayer Liberator
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2016-12-07 22:48:33 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
One thing I will say is that if you are building a paramilitary force and you don't already have some DUSTer special forces then you shouldn't let the absence of a pretty piece of paper stop you. Whilst they are wonderful against regular troops, they are absolutely essential against their own kind.

Don't delay, employ some today.

You may have just given my brother a job
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#20 - 2016-12-07 23:06:37 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Frankly, I prefer soldiers like Triss and Thal over the dangerously unstable criminals that the Feddies were pumping full of illegal combat drugs and then releasing onto the battlefield.

Does that really matter if they get their job done?