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And we will miss them, truly.

Actually that is exactly why they did it. The intention was to flush out carebears from highsec in order to force them to play the game the way it was intended.



That is not true. You make it look like that because you are doing absolutely nothing to have fun in EVE. Yes, I know, you are having fun playing the game the way you want it. But if that is the case, don't complain when someone else is playing the same game the way they want it.



You can not make everyone happy, lets settle on that.

You know they are a lowsec entity that also fight in null right?

Where are you getting this from that they definitely gank in highsec?

I know asking for evidence for what you say just leads to being ignored, but I'm still optimistic that one day it'll be provided.

EDIT:
In their last 15,000 kills (last 300 pages of their zkillboard pages if you do it manually) going back 8 months, there are only 3 Snuff Box characters of any highsec kills:

- Kat Smalls (for a 4 days in June killing the same character 5 times),
- John Burque (also killing the same character, but only once),
- HONSOU FERRIX (for 1 week back in April he is on several highsec killmails).

None of the other 221 members of Snuff Box are on a single highsec killmail (there are a few losses due to their low sec status from lowsec pvp).

Snuff Box do not gank in highsec.

It's amazing how few people understand what Eve Online is about. It is not Darkfall, or Wow, or SW:TOR or almost any other MMO that has PvP functionality built it in. Eve Online is literally PvP from the bottom up. It is a "living work of science fiction", not a traditional themepark MMO where the content is provided largely by the developers. In Eve, the central conceit is that we are all the content.

There is no place for pure PvE gameplay and there never was in the long history of this game. That means Eve Online will probably always remain a niche gaming experience, but it also means it remains near unique among the other offerings. Few other games offer the same permanence of loss, or feature a truly player-driven economy, like Eve does. Few other games let you meaningfully shape the universe directly through your efforts and actions. Enabling this game play is why you are always made vulnerable and why CCP will never give you carebears the safety you seem to crave like a drug.

I do concede there should be more social options in Eve Online for players who do not wish to compete, but that is generally not what is offered up in threads like this one. Instead, the carebears will sincerely offer up ideas that allow them competitive incomes and resource generation, with no risk of interference from the other players and/or completely solo. I am sorry, but that is not Eve. You can play Eve largely immune from player interference or by yourself, but you be less efficient at it than players who take risks and defend themselves as well as work together. This is epitomized by the option to play on the test server where there is no risk of PvP (and also no real reward) yet the carebears here don't take that option. Instead they argue the game should be changed so they should have their cake and eat it too or CCP will lose their subscription, despite the fact that such changes to the game are completely incompatible with the core premise of the game and would undermine the competitive and unified economy that is the true gem of this game.

Dealing with wars are the trade-off for the benefits of being in a player corp. It has been that way forever. If you don't want to deal with wars, then stay out of a player corp and use a shared chat channel to play with your friends. Wars can be improved sure, but the basic reality of risk vs. reward isn't ever going to change, whatever your prognosis for the next 10 years of Eve is.

I thought Darkfall was pure PvP and that they didnt even have safe areas if I remember well.

Indeed, there are different levels of security at all of those sec levels. Working as intended.

Sure they went through effort to design different areas of space. That doesn't mean that the earlier claim about wardec intentions is correct.

The last time wardecs were changed was in 2012. The devblog makes it clear that a career path for mercs was absolutely one of the game design aims at the time:

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/changes-to-war-mechanics/

Increasing the use of wardecs over what it previously was, is also mentioned.

I am glad we agree

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OP you represent a real threat to Eve Online's unique, unforgiving experience.

If you want to play a game where you can dictate when and where PvP engagements take place, where you can sit in an unkillable zone farming in-game currency and materials all day long, consider World of Warcraft.

It's players like you, who run the risk of causing CCP to make design changes intended to make the game more forgiving when in fact its unforgiving nature is what attracts most of its loyal playerbase.