Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So the idea is a mechinism to encourage but not force people to spread fire while not causing battles to degenerate into impossible to kill situations. The idea is similiar to bomb damage where excess bombs are destroyed. In this case, excess heat at certain threshholds destroy a percentage of incoming rounds.

You split the current ships into hull sizes:

Small
Medium
Large
Capital

You then assign each hull size damage threshholds, these are just placeholders and not intended as finished numbers

Small - 1000 - damage reduction 10%
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Small - 6000 - damage reduction 60%

Medium - 5000 - damage reduction 10%
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Medium 30000 - damage reduction 60%

And so on


* The different damage reduction amounts for different sized hulls of course are necessary to prevent larger ships from being impossible to kill.
* While you can still use overkill to kill targets its no longer a straight line damage equation. Putting out 600,000 dps on one ship might be possible but splitting up those same ships and shooting 3 ships instead for 300,000 each would mean logi needs to rep 3 ships for 900,000 dps instead of the 1 for 600,000. Makes sense?

A sample battle of 6 seconds:

Ships with Blasters doing 15000 per tick
Ships with Projectiles doing 25000 per 2.5 ticks
Target is a battleship and it has dps thresholds of 10000 damage, 20000 damage, ..., 60,000 damage

The reduction would be

Tick 1 15K - 10% = 13,500 damage
Tick 2 15K - 10%
Tick 3 40K - 40% = 24,000 damage
Tick 4 15K - 10%
Tick 5 15K - 10%
Tick 6 40K - 40%

Based on the 10 percent per threshold.


If you had blasters doing 20,0000 dps and no projectiles

Tick 1 - Tick 6 20K - 20% = 16,000 damage


If you were doing 80000 damage with blasters

Tick 1 - Tick 6 80K - 60% = 32,000 damage

At 50,000 damage in one tick - 50% you're doing 25,000 damage
At 60,000 damage in one tick - 60% you're doing 24,000 damage

Diminishing returns, it works and its not exploitable. Additionally in terms of the remote repairs they could be rebalanced so they're not trying to defeat the n+1 mechanic we currently have. They were only introduced as a patch against it anyway.

Its genius of course, I thought of it

It doesn't protect smaller ships. The reason they're broken up is because if you had a generic threshold for say, frigates, that same threshhold for capitals would make them impossible to kill. Likewise if you had a generic threshhold for capitals then frigates would be vaporised before the first 10% reduction kicked in.

Capital weapons usually have no way of hitting a frigate so the size of the projectile is pretty much a moot point.

If you mean it protects frigates as in reducing % of damage yeah it does but only applied damage not damage fired at the frigate. But it doesn't just protect frigates, it protects all ships that have so much dps put on them they instantly melt. That's the whole point of the code, to encourage people to spread fire around rather than the n+1 facemelt and next target.

Of course it would have no effect on a frigate if it was being attacked by a small gang because it would never reach the required threshhold and even if it did a frigate taking as in my example 1,000 dps is going to die in a very small amount of time, it'll probably be saved an extra second of life. If its taking 2000 damage, 20% off is still 1800 dps per second.

The numbers of course are just placeholders but if you've ever been in a big battle its no fun at all to be suddenly in a pod and never having had the chance to take evasive action, hit your repper or whatever because the damage was so intensely stupid.

That doesn't work though, more modules firing, less damage - because of exploits and workarounds with own fleets. My idea works, it can not be exploited.

Danika, remind we why we would listen to a mindblurrbh of an NPC in the first place?

As hilarious as this reason is, someone needs to post logic or some of these idiotic ignorant ideas might get farther than getting **** on here.

Yes please post reasons would be interesting to see if there are any working brains other than mine in this thread

This is not true. The alpha fleets were in game before carriers and logi. Logi was put in game to deal with alpha.

Alpha developed out of CCP's failed n+1 doctrine. For years CCP actively encouraged larger and larger fights and it was that encouragement that led to the everyone target x and fire mechanic.

If you nerfed logi or deleted it the alpha problem would become much worse. It would switch from a alpha vs logi to just an alpha issue.

I hate logi btw, I think its a ******** mechanic, the equivalent of priests from WoW.

Personally I'd love to get rid of enchanters / rogues (ECM), priests / shamans (logi / links), and wizards (cyno's) and get back to the original game of spaceships but what can you do.

My idea is a very good one. Its not fantasy / magical crap like the above, its based on both practical and logical reasoning - the more explosions / radiation occuring on a target the more likely incoming rounds will be destroyed before they hit the target.

Is DR applying to gross (before the shots hit and damage calcs run their course) or net (shots hit, damage calcs run thier course then the DR applied) damage? Reason asking is you seem to be doing gross, and one lump sum.

If gross damage before actual calcs...you have a problem. You have a weighted score that hurts the shooters. You are using paper damage. target shot may get this DR effect for damage they would have never gotten in the first place. 20 ravens flown by low sp noobs with crap missile skills with no paint/mgc/rigor will have impressive per ship paper damage to artificially boost gross damage. Actual net damage will sucks ass most likely however. Eft/pyfa raw damage only tells half the story on the top page. Its when run the graphs and mix up speed, angles and sig you see the other half.


If net, you now have another issue. YOu are inducing a half assed resist boost effect. your issue here is this why ccp put resist holes in ships is one. Or else we'd all be say 80% and higher.

Your second issue is ccp has in the past nerfed resist boosts. A few years back for some reason(s) I can't recall and didn't quite grasp when the change happened....ccp .dropped 5% per level resist bonus to 4%. For reasons some fellow bitter can jog my memory on maybe....my rokh and other ships were imba with 25% resists max skill and is now 20% max.

Third issue as Danika pointed out is you are buffing mommy ships. See when mommies became supers (I still call them mommies anyway, old habits die hard) CCP gave them an arguably stupid silly ehp buff. They took this away in rebalance. For good reason. You are giving that back as a mommy shoot will give it ample time to keep on getting your DR effect. And I am being nice...I haven't even slaved them if armour based. your DR, slaves, brick tank.....the mommy pilot would die from boredom if no save op before the shooters kill them. Self destruct to end the pain more quickly...I would not blame them for that even.

Basically with net damage you are bringing back stuff CCP nerfed, with extreme prejudice and deliberation. When they do this...they don't bring it back later generally.

This will only cause a stalemate in large fleet engagements, not a good idea.