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A Reflection on Matias Sobaseki
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Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#21 - 2016-11-07 15:20:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Merchant Rova
Diana Kim wrote:
gallente bottomfeeders

Miss Kim, as much as you complain about ad hominem attacks being used against you, why do use constantly use them yourself?

RIP Merchant Rova's cheekbones, YC118-YC119. Forever in our hearts.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-11-07 16:10:54 UTC
Merchant Rova wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
gallente bottomfeeders

Miss Kim, as much as you complain about ad hominem attacks being used against you, why do use constantly use them in yourself?

If they come with the sword, they will die from the sword.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2016-11-07 16:15:11 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Merchant Rova wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
gallente bottomfeeders

Miss Kim, as much as you complain about ad hominem attacks being used against you, why do use constantly use them in yourself?

If they come with the sword, they will die from the sword.


You realize that applies to you as well, right?

Which means, cyclically, you have no right to complain.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Yarosara Ruil
#24 - 2016-11-07 16:41:21 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
You realize that applies to you as well, right?

Which means, cyclically, you have no right to complain.


A shame Miss Kim is a damn good sword master. I mean, if she were an action figure, she would have a button on her back for her SWORD ACTION which would cause her arm to pistol whip, and shout intrepid catchphrases like "The Federation must be destroyed!" and "Gallentean scum!". Complete with several detachable accessories like an hat and a miniature Thorax model.

I find the notion that I own such action figure completely absurd.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-11-07 17:58:24 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Merchant Rova wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
gallente bottomfeeders

Miss Kim, as much as you complain about ad hominem attacks being used against you, why do use constantly use them in yourself?

If they come with the sword, they will die from the sword.


You realize that applies to you as well, right?

Which means, cyclically, you have no right to complain.

Where do you see complaining, gallentean liar?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Keramor
Yuan-Ladazir Integrated Armament
#26 - 2016-11-07 18:47:53 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
And it was rabid nationalist totalitarian dogs like Kim who were ignored or squashed into the mud as the worst scum of Caldari society.

Oh, I see gallente bottomfeeders are still spreading lies about Caldari Officers. Luckily for us, it is the maximum that these forum loudmouths can do. It is our duty to point on their lies, and shame people like Jason Galente for speaking them. We shall know the enemy. And we will fight them.

And remember, dear readers. The best weapon against gallente propaganda and slanderers like Jason is knowledge.



You are aware that on the occasions where you're not barking at someone you're mostly talking to yourself, yes?


@OP
Personally I am glad that the State collectively ended the nightmare that Heth had become. As I've remarked elsewhere, there are opportunities for outsiders to blend into the society, although it requires hard work and dedication, you know, nothing for slackers. You have to get that way of life into your head and actively work on being less of a nuisance to the majority - and over time you'll stick out less like a sore thumb.
Having said that, I had a colleague back then who went full madhouse on this, read up on old Raata bullshit and didn't stop on visiting traditional plays, even started trying his hand at acting in an amateur group. He looked so out of place it wasn't even funny. I think he stopped after a while, not sure if he was encoured to do that or if it was his own idea. He was a bit of a moron, when all's said and done.
Matar Ronin
#27 - 2016-11-07 21:25:31 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And we will fight them.


Actually, as I recall, you wouldn't fight me. When I was drunk. In a Tech 1 (not even meta 4) hyperspatial thrasher.

In fact I was so incompetent that night that I ended up warping to a POS and getting insta-blapped.

Was worth it to see your fear of such a non-threat, though. I suppose living in militia lowsec for too long turns even the most ferocious of screeching kittens into a warp core-stabbed station jockey.
The list of people this cowardly tin soldier refused to fight continues to grow.

Perhaps it explains why kim does not have mostly solo kills, as one would expect an ace to have.

Killmail whoring proves no skill, kim is likely just another pack feeder following orders while perhaps contributing less then 30% damage to 99% of her credited kills.

Wow what skill that takes!

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#28 - 2016-11-07 21:46:54 UTC
A cursory glance at Colonel Kim's public record shows that 25% of her 11,453 confirmed kills are solo, so that's around 2,863 solo kills. In fact she has 7 recorded solo kills in the past week.

I respect your convictions Matar Ronin, but I do not see the wisdom in pursuing this.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-11-07 22:20:14 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
I have felt for years now that a truly meritocratic society has nothing to fear from measured and composed dissent.

Strong ideas that will better our society are to be welcomed and embraced, after all. That's what the "merit" in meritocracy means.

Dissent is just competition on a different marketplace, and competition is good for business.


Don't forget that dissent without consequences is like competition without consequences. If you flout the consensus you'd better be right otherwise, in the words of my Instructors, you get left.


Oh, absolutely. The very nature of dissent means that anybody who engages in it without being willing to sacrifice everything for it is both a fool and a coward.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#30 - 2016-11-07 22:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kolodi Ramal
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Don't forget that dissent without consequences is like competition without consequences. If you flout the consensus you'd better be right otherwise, in the words of my Instructors, you get left.

How often does it matter who's right? A majority usually has the power to crush dissent - or just smother it.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2016-11-08 02:37:46 UTC
This one started out so well thought out, I knew it would be derailed within hours. Thank you OP for the briefest window into the mindset of a sometimes difficult to understand ally.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2016-11-08 03:02:31 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Don't forget that dissent without consequences is like competition without consequences. If you flout the consensus you'd better be right otherwise, in the words of my Instructors, you get left.

How often does it matter who's right? A majority usually has the power to crush dissent - or just smother it.

Sometimes all it takes is a single person of vision in the right place at the right time. A meritocracy relies on metrics and competition to cast the right light on the worth of dissension from the established wisdom.

The people are often very good at spotting truth.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Matias Kurovassi
Doomheim
#33 - 2016-11-08 06:30:52 UTC
Karmilla Strife wrote:
This one started out so well thought out, I knew it would be derailed within hours. Thank you OP for the briefest window into the mindset of a sometimes difficult to understand ally.


My thanks for the compliment!

I am however more than aware that galnet comments sections are filled with the usual coteries of trolls, personal insults, threats of violence, and people arguing inane points not because they are right but because they cannot admit they are wrong -- even if they look like idiots.

I do think I am able to present my thoughts in a manner that they are able to stand on their own merits for those reading them without my participation in the aforementioned ignominious commentary.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-11-08 12:16:43 UTC
Good on ya mate.

I don't have the patience for that when it comes to some of these people.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-11-08 12:19:50 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Merchant Rova wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
gallente bottomfeeders

Miss Kim, as much as you complain about ad hominem attacks being used against you, why do use constantly use them in yourself?

If they come with the sword, they will die from the sword.


You realize that applies to you as well, right?

Which means, cyclically, you have no right to complain.

Where do you see complaining, gallentean liar?


On every thread you've ever touched.

Ever.

"You said something mildly negative about me? HOW DARE YOU LIE ABOUT CALDARI OFFICER I'M GOING TO THROW A TODDLER FIT AND DISRUPT EVERYONE ELSE'S CONVERSATION!"

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#36 - 2016-11-08 14:01:33 UTC
Interesting piece, Mr. Kurovassi, I enjoyed reading it.
Merchant Rova
Tidal Lock
Vapor-Lock
#37 - 2016-11-08 16:22:38 UTC
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2016-11-08 16:56:59 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Don't forget that dissent without consequences is like competition without consequences. If you flout the consensus you'd better be right otherwise, in the words of my Instructors, you get left.

How often does it matter who's right? A majority usually has the power to crush dissent - or just smother it.

Sometimes all it takes is a single person of vision in the right place at the right time. A meritocracy relies on metrics and competition to cast the right light on the worth of dissension from the established wisdom.

The people are often very good at spotting truth.

Uh-- also, Mr. Ramal, dissidents in the State are tolerated partly because they provide alternative ideas and points of view, helping to highlight other directions leaders might decide to take the society in. The majority's power in the State is intentionally circumscribed. "The (meritorious) few" are trusted to rule because they're qualified to do it. "The majority" is disempowered because while it may be noble in its way, it's also neither trained nor temperamentally suited for rulership.

It's common for Federal citizens to believe that Federal values and systems would work for everyone, but hopes for democracy in the State should come with a warning: "be careful what you wish for."

The last time the people of the State spoke, they lifted Tibus Heth to power.
Matar Ronin
#39 - 2016-11-08 17:32:21 UTC
The Caldari State has a track record that includes much to be admired. However like any human operated and devised system it is not perfect.

Unrestrained corporatism like unrestrained Democracy can be a very bad thing. Meritocracy is very alluring and rewarding, but sometimes the deck gets stacked against certain classes of people and they are not able to compete and demonstrate the true merits of what they could otherwise have to offer.

Blind patriotism is not patriotism at all.

To be a patriot one must be a realist and recognize the flaws and be willing to work sometimes within the system and sometimes outside of the system to correct them. The Caldari State produced both Otro Gariushi and the thug tibus heth. Ying and yang, the crucible that can develop greatness for good can also develop great evil.

The patriots of the Caldari State stood up and cast out the evil that had grabbed power and sought to mutate the Caldari State into something of his own twisted imaginings. The Caldari patriots who did this had to have a level of freedom and the right to question authority to save the Caldari State.

The future of the Caldari State is likely to be a fine balancing act between short term requirements versus long term convictions, in a system where things of merit rise to the top we can only hope that the evil never completely grabs control of the Caldari State again. Given the chance the Caldari people will continue to contribute to the great diversity of human achievement in the New Eden Cluster in a perfectly imperfect human fashion. Don't bet against them.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Matias Kurovassi
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-11-08 17:40:33 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

The last time the people of the State spoke, they lifted Tibus Heth to power.


I do have my doubts it was the people of the State who provided the tens of trillions of ISK necessary to purchase the stock in Caldari Constructions to install Tibus Heth as its CEO and then launch a leadership challenge of Kaalakiota itself.

If that did not happen I do not believe a suitable platform would have existed to create a true base of popular support.