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[PETITION] DONT ALLOW FOR ANY SP RESPEC MECHANISM!!!111oneone

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Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-01-18 09:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Kolonko
(edit: If You don't know what i'm taliking about, read sumit minutes - theyre is a possibility they will add limited SP respecialisation mechanism in eve)

"The CSM reiterated its desire for CCP to implement a partial skill respec, especially in the aftermath of major changes to ship classes such as the removal of drones from supercarriers."

SP respec. I mean, really? SP respec in my EVE?

I think someone got hit in the head with something heavy.

When titans lost ability to shoot DD trough portal and later lost AOE effect - no one refunded them their Energy Weapons V
When SB lost cruise bonus no one gave us Cruise specialisation back as SP
When there was nano nerf, no one gave us back skills from navigation and minmatar HAC 5
When you nerfed PI, no one gave us back PI skiils
When you nerfed carriers (removed large cargo-hold) no one refunded us capital skills

SO WHY THE HELL, when SC nerf hits we suddenly hear about giving back skills for drones, or more, even SP RESPEC MECHANISM?

Eve is all about action and consequences of said actions. As oposed to games like WOW, where there is limit of what i can learn, there is no situation when i hit imaginery wall and can not train further

In EVE when i no longer need some skills (want to check something new) i just start training them. I remap and +5 needed skills and start trainig for new stuff.

This will actually hit new players very hard - imagine that we have 100m SP bitter-vet and 5m SP no-longer-noob fresh player. Imagine now that CCP introduced new type of ships - something in range of new player that don't require tons of skills to fly.

What new payer can do? well, he have no skills to abandon just like that, so he have to train for it. What about bitter-vet? Well, he just drop his Titan 5 and gets all needed skill to lvl 5 in minutes.

This in turn will cause even larger gap between veterans and new players. Right now when something new is introduced (PI for example) all payers are on equal footing - everyone have to train to use new stuff. OFC veterans have more isk = can use +5, possible have remaps for such occasion stored, so they can get there slightly faster - but they still have to train to it.


SO ALL IN ALL - DONT RESPEC, OR WE WILL LOOSE ALL RESPECT :)

(by We i mean I, and everyone thinking alike)
Jabba Miner
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-01-18 10:49:02 UTC
I agree. No respec in my EVE
Triana
Aliastra
#3 - 2012-01-18 11:24:02 UTC
No respec, ever.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-01-18 12:04:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
I want mining gone from my character sheet X

Otherwise I agree, being able to respec from one FOTM to the next would be bad.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-01-18 14:53:57 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
(edit: If You don't know what i'm taliking about, read sumit minutes - theyre is a possibility they will add limited SP respecialisation mechanism in eve)

SP respec. I mean, really? SP respec in my EVE?

I think someone got hit in the head with something heavy.

When titans lost ability to shoot DD trough portal and later lost AOE effect - no one refunded them their Energy Weapons V
When SB lost cruise bonus no one gave us Cruise specialisation back as SP
When there was nano nerf, no one gave us back skills from navigation and minmatar HAC 5
When you nerfed PI, no one gave us back PI skiils
When you nerfed carriers (removed large cargo-hold) no one refunded us capital skills

SO WHY THE HELL, when SC nerf hits we suddenly hear about giving back skills for drones, or more, even SP RESPEC MECHANISM?

Eve is all about action and consequences of said actions. As oposed to games like WOW, where there is limit of what i can learn, there is no situation when i hit imaginery wall and can not train further

In EVE when i no longer need some skills (want to check something new) i just start training them. I remap and +5 needed skills and start trainig for new stuff.

This will actually hit new players very hard - imagine that we have 100m SP bitter-vet and 5m SP no-longer-noob fresh player. Imagine now that CCP introduced new type of ships - something in range of new player that don't require tons of skills to fly.

What new payer can do? well, he have no skills to abandon just like that, so he have to train for it. What about bitter-vet? Well, he just drop his Titan 5 and gets all needed skill to lvl 5 in minutes.

This in turn will cause even larger gap between veterans and new players. Right now when something new is introduced (PI for example) all payers are on equal footing - everyone have to train to use new stuff. OFC veterans have more isk = can use +5, possible have remaps for such occasion stored, so they can get there slightly faster - but they still have to train to it.


SO ALL IN ALL - DONT RESPEC, OR WE WILL LOOSE ALL RESPECT :)

(by We i mean I, and everyone thinking alike)



*wipes off spittle from shouting*

Hate to break it to you...but its already there in the game...they've used it twice now.
But I support either way.

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Jaari Val'Dara
Grim Sleepers
#6 - 2012-01-18 14:58:57 UTC
Takeshi Yamato wrote:
I want mining gone from my character sheet X

Otherwise I agree, being able to respec from one FOTM to the next would be bad.


+1, I would use it even if I got nothing in return :D
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-18 15:19:40 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:



*wipes off spittle from shouting*

Hate to break it to you...but its already there in the game...they've used it twice now.
But I support either way.


There is a difference between allowing players to choose what they dont like - remove it - and aply somewhere else

AND

reinbursting players for skills that where completely removed from game.
Goose99
#8 - 2012-01-18 15:57:42 UTC
Preemptive whine leading to premature butthurt, lulzLol

-1
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-01-18 16:00:13 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Preemptive whine leading to premature butthurt, lulzLol

-1


Hi goose99, good we have professional troll in here, this thread was definetly to much one-sided until now :)
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-01-18 16:33:01 UTC
Posting in a "bitter vet afraid of change!" thread
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-01-18 16:49:01 UTC
Max Kolonko wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:



*wipes off spittle from shouting*

Hate to break it to you...but its already there in the game...they've used it twice now.
But I support either way.


There is a difference between allowing players to choose what they dont like - remove it - and aply somewhere else

AND

reinbursting players for skills that where completely removed from game.



You've got some serious issues man.ShockedShocked

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#12 - 2012-01-18 17:40:06 UTC
Jabba Miner wrote:
I agree. No respec in my EVE

Yea

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Citizen of Solitude

Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#13 - 2012-01-18 17:43:39 UTC
No to any SP respec what so ever.

Whoever dreamed this up should be taken out back and shot.

Survivors should be shot again.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-01-18 18:26:25 UTC
Depends on what the "limited" part of the SP respec means.

-1 Because I think some respec is needed if not just to get rid of useless starter skills. Not to mention it won't hurt anything at all and this entire thread is one huge overreaction to nothing at all.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-01-18 18:31:15 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Depends on what the "limited" part of the SP respec means.

-1 Because I think some respec is needed if not just to get rid of useless starter skills. Not to mention it won't hurt anything at all and this entire thread is one huge overreaction to nothing at all.



And once again you miss the point.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-18 18:31:26 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Depends on what the "limited" part of the SP respec means.

-1 Because I think some respec is needed if not just to get rid of useless starter skills. Not to mention it won't hurt anything at all and this entire thread is one huge overreaction to nothing at all.


I can see why the OP posted this though.

CCP will always change things, and it would be pretty unfair to allow a respec for carriers when they haven't done this for say, SB's or other ships that they have nerfed over the years.

It's not game breaking, granted, but it does seem pretty unfair.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-18 18:46:33 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Depends on what the "limited" part of the SP respec means.

-1 Because I think some respec is needed if not just to get rid of useless starter skills. Not to mention it won't hurt anything at all and this entire thread is one huge overreaction to nothing at all.


I can see why the OP posted this though.

CCP will always change things, and it would be pretty unfair to allow a respec for carriers when they haven't done this for say, SB's or other ships that they have nerfed over the years.

It's not game breaking, granted, but it does seem pretty unfair.


Exactly, and tomorrow they will implement nerf for X, and day after for Y, and what? FOTM without consequence?
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#18 - 2012-01-18 19:57:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tidurious
Respec is for pussies and for games such as WOW. The only respec that I find even remotely acceptable is if skills are completely removed from the game; otherwise, HELL NO.

[Edit: Surprised that Pussies didn't censor...]
Ras Blumin
A Cross The Universe
#19 - 2012-01-18 23:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ras Blumin
Do we know more than this:?

"The CSM reiterated its desire for CCP to implement a partial skill respec, especially in the aftermath of major changes to ship classes such as the removal of drones from supercarriers."

That could mean lots of things. If it's just SC and drone skills that get respec-able, then I agree that CCP should not give a get-out-of-jail-free-card to such a small number of players, especially in light of other people skilling up for stuff that later got changed.

If it means that we can respec say 1-10m skillpoints yearly, well, that's something I think is pretty cool. I have some more or less wasted skillpoints I wouldn't mind putting elsewhere.

edit. OP why didn't you give us that quote I have posted? Bad OP. BAD. Go to your box.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-01-18 23:58:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Ras Blumin wrote:
Do we know more than this:?

"The CSM reiterated its desire for CCP to implement a partial skill respec, especially in the aftermath of major changes to ship classes such as the removal of drones from supercarriers."

That could mean lots of things. If it's just SC and drone skills that get respec-able, then I agree that CCP should not give a get-out-of-jail-free-card to such a small number of players, especially in light of other people skilling up for stuff that later got changed.

If it means that we can respec say 1-10m skillpoints yearly, well, that's something I think is pretty cool. I have some more or less wasted skillpoints I wouldn't mind putting elsewhere.

edit. OP why didn't you give us that quote I have posted? Bad OP. BAD. Go to your box.


My take on the SC losing drones and whining about SP's - Oh you poor little baby....get the #### over yourself.

Drone skills are very useful across many sub-captial classes of ships.

Just because you lost the ability to use them on a specific ship class doesn't mean you hqave to go ape-#### crazy like some damned baby.

The answer is and should remain NO.

The only times I'll accept an SP is for "reimbursement" due to skill deletion or server crash that disupts play time for like say a week or something.

Period.

PS: if what Im seeing is the truth...sounds like this proposal is a drama panic attack based on what CSM is pushing...not what CCP is saying. That is a major difference I would think.

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