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The top five boats in need of a buff
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Nadine Le'Slut
The-Four-HorseMen
#21 - 2012-01-18 12:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nadine Le'Slut
infolinks never were really popular, just like ravens in fleetops
both for valid reason, they just plain suck for pvp (well infolinks suck even in pve)

reintroducing 125mbit drone bandwidth for the eos would be the only thing that i'd accept as a fix

because seriously, i want those solopwnboats back
they may have been bringing a lot of whining to the forums, but so much more fun to the game.

and then i woke up....
King Rothgar
Deadly Solutions
#22 - 2012-01-18 13:01:41 UTC
1) Sin: 5% agility bonus changed to something else (anything is better than that, even cargo capacity). +100% HP, addition of combat recon level resists, 50% more jump drive range.

2) Panther: +1 turret, +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range.

3) Redeemer: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range.

4) Widow: +100% HP, addition of combat recon resists, 50% more jump drive range.

5) Retribution: utility high slot moved to midslot.

[u]Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher.[/u]
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-01-18 13:17:56 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Hype is actually pretty sweet...

-Liang



Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much.
V'oba
Omnivores of Mediocrity
Omnivores
#24 - 2012-01-18 14:51:25 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Hype is actually pretty sweet...

-Liang



Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much.





This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS?
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#25 - 2012-01-18 17:07:16 UTC
V'oba wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Hype is actually pretty sweet...

-Liang



Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much.





This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS?

Like what? I think it would be neat to have a boost to INCOMING repairs, but idk how that really makes sense. It'd be really cool to see a couple of hyperions roaming with rep drones on each other and really high resists! It would make properly logi'd fleets quite tough, and carrier supported one formidable indeed. At least until ECM comes along, that is.

Alternatively, maybe some sort of mobility bonus? MWD speed, or agility? Or perhaps some kind of built-in damage control?
Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2012-01-18 18:29:59 UTC
Idea: Since Gallente are about active tanking, change rep bonus to capacitor discount. This goes for all Gallente ships. What it would mean is that you could dual rep wkith ease.
Kagan Storm
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-01-18 18:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagan Storm
My badger needs a new paint job. Bear

I also wana take a screeny of a badger wtih a cap gun. why cant i put cap guns on badgers anymore?....grrrrrrEvil

My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#28 - 2012-01-18 18:32:55 UTC
V'oba wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Hype is actually pretty sweet...

-Liang



Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much.





This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS?


No, because not all ships should be fleet ships. Frankly the idea of an active tanked blaster ship is ideal - both active tanking and blasters excel in small gang warfare but fail at fleets... just make sure that the ship rocks in small gangs. :)

If anything I'd recommend doing something about the "missing" low slot rather than re-role the ship.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#29 - 2012-01-18 18:34:24 UTC
Dibblerette wrote:


Alternatively, maybe some sort of mobility bonus? MWD speed, or agility? Or perhaps some kind of built-in damage control?


You don't need to give it a mobility bonus - that is easily done via adjusting base stats on the ship itself. They could even adjust the ship by giving it a bit more armor and thus simulate another low slot by giving it a built in 1600 RT plate (hopefully without the mobility penalty...).

There are tons of options... and not all of them require re-rolling the ship. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Hoskoal Ricks
#30 - 2012-01-18 19:57:40 UTC
V'oba wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Hype is actually pretty sweet...

-Liang



Hype is sweet, I love mine, but because they are the only tier 3 BS that sucks in fleet applications I don't get to fly mine much.





This. Wouldn't it be better to redo the stats/ bonuses on this ship to give gallente a viable fleet BS?


The mega is the gal psuedo-fleet bs. Rails just need more love, imo.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-01-18 21:54:49 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
The Hype is actually pretty sweet...

-Liang


It has the right look this is for sure. I'm seeing alot more around since the Crucible Hybrid buff.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2012-01-19 00:33:04 UTC
What the Hyperion really needs is a role bonus to the mounting and utilization of a DD. I mean, with that prow man. It'd be awesome

Namely I just want an excuse to spinal mount something awesome.

Kay, I'm done trolling. I think if you gave the Hyperion better agility and top speed, and changed its rep bonus to rep capacitor usage, it'd be set. The Brutix and Myrmidon could both benefit from that change as well.
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
#33 - 2012-01-19 03:40:22 UTC
Most T1 cruisers, just like most T1 frigs are mostly redundant...a lot of love is needed.

ASs will probably receive some love, so...

EAFs could follow - par the hyena those are pretty good under some instances, but not good enough vs. T1 or T2 cruisers that do the same job way cheaper (T1) or way better (T2). The Keres is the only one that does fleet work good enough. Sentinel is weak for fleets, nice for solo. The caldari is outclassed by the BB. Hyena...meh...

The Cyclone is pretty good as a solo / small gang ship. Active tank or shield buffer/nanoed with extra mid slot over the Cane does serve some roles pretty good. I completely disagree that it's bad. It's the niche of active tanked ships in general that is under-utilized, not the Cyclone, or the Brutix, or the Ferox etc (all of which can play this role with decent performance).

Hyperion is darn good - but read above...it's an active tanked ship, or and ultra ganky ship...not bad versatility tbh. I doubt that other tier 3 BSs are way more versatile than that, nor much cheaper.

"War does not determine who is right - only who is left." -- Bertrand Russell

shal ri
Short Bus Window Licker
#34 - 2012-01-20 17:09:34 UTC
the hype is fine wat it needs is more drones. 4 ogres suck. like stated its a small gang bs. but u can even use it in rr gangs with the proper fit, its really a mean ship. thing of it like a big brutix. it can be shield tanked for gank or rep for tank just because u cant use it in ur gay blobs doesnt mean it needs a rehaul.
caldri hacs in general need to be looked over. i didnt even look at the eagle and the cerb cant micro for more then 2 cycles so sustaned fights with that ship is just not goin to happen. basicly if a drake can own it with out thinking it needs a rehaul.

the electronic attack frigs look like they could be awsome ships but i think ppl fail to see that they are support ships for frig gangs. think about it a fleet of 12 frigs. u got ur dps assault frigs and ur attack support frigs to keep them alive. if they had more tank and/or speed they would be used alot more.
t1 frigs need a look over as well. most players use the same set of frigs for pvp, them being rifter, incursus, tristan, merlan and kestral. wat happened to all the other frigs. ( i know there are some mining and hauling frigs but im lookin at this from the pvp perspective. feel free to make ur own suggestions about how they can change )

some of the cruiser need a look over as well. ( plz do somehting about the thorax ) seems to me the matar has more pvp viable cruisers then the other races. doesnt look like its balanced. theres also hacs that seem to be useless for anything other then sniping ( demios. munnin. eagle. ) when there are ships that cost about the same and do more dmg. ( tempest. rohk. maelstrom. )

black ops ships. these ships are just a cloaky taxi service for black ops drops. i dont use them so i cant say much, but it doesnt seem worth the training time imo. the widow seems to be the only 1 i would bother to train for since its a bigger falcon with bomber/raven like bonuses to torps.
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-20 18:23:28 UTC
Diomidis wrote:
Most T1 cruisers, just like most T1 frigs are mostly redundant...a lot of love is needed.

ASs will probably receive some love, so...

EAFs could follow - par the hyena those are pretty good under some instances, but not good enough vs. T1 or T2 cruisers that do the same job way cheaper (T1) or way better (T2). The Keres is the only one that does fleet work good enough. Sentinel is weak for fleets, nice for solo. The caldari is outclassed by the BB. Hyena...meh...

The Cyclone is pretty good as a solo / small gang ship. Active tank or shield buffer/nanoed with extra mid slot over the Cane does serve some roles pretty good. I completely disagree that it's bad. It's the niche of active tanked ships in general that is under-utilized, not the Cyclone, or the Brutix, or the Ferox etc (all of which can play this role with decent performance).

Hyperion is darn good - but read above...it's an active tanked ship, or and ultra ganky ship...not bad versatility tbh. I doubt that other tier 3 BSs are way more versatile than that, nor much cheaper.


p. much This.

People forget that there are 27 frigate t1 out there and only 4-5 are used
16 cruiser t1, and only 4-5 are used
People should stop to ask for more faction/tier3 or tech3 stuff if they really want some balance (they don't want actually)

Agree with the Hype cost, but the way to fix it is to reduce the cost of the materials needed for it' s production, not making it a Mega mk2 with a tracking bonus.

And stop pls to want to remove every ship thta have a different bonus except for /damage/trakcing/ROF/ etc Leave my Rep bonus alone. Not everyone fly in blobs and wnat moar deepees. What armor/rep armor bonus needs is a fix. Making all the ships similar it s not a fix, but a plague for the game
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-01-20 19:43:45 UTC
top 3:P
eagle
phoenix
nighthawk
Khrage
#37 - 2012-01-20 20:08:22 UTC
grouping similar ships:

1. EAFs.

2. Eagle (mostly the Eagle, but the new BCs out class sniper HACs so much now, and the whole drake/cerb/sacrilege situation isn't in a good place - so Eagle/HAC issues.)

3. Prophecy and (a little less) the Ferox (Cyclone and Brutix seem fine compared to these two)

4. Ashimmu/Cruor and kinda Phantasm/Suc (While their BS brothers are feared, these guys just aren't up to par with the other pirate faction races cruisers/frigates

5. Tier system screws with a lot of ships. though i see why it's good in a lot of ways, when it comes to frigs, cruisers, and BCs; i think a good solution would be having two tiers within cruisers and frigs, one lower one higher obviously, but with multiple ships within the same tier.

cruiser examples: maller and omen amarr higher tier and the arb and aug the lower. moa caracal high, osprey blackbird low. thorax vexor high, celestis exeq low. rupture stabber high, scythe belli low.

frigate examples: punisher executioner inq high, crucifier magnate tormentor low. merlin kestrel condor high, heron griffin bantam low. tristan incursus atrom high, imicus maulus navitas low. rifter slasher breacher high, burst probe vigil low.

putting more ships on the same levels bringing more balance, while still having lower tiered, less expensive, less skill intensive for those roles/newer players.

BCs are in the same boat as BSs. the tier system should work. as it does with the BSs. almost any BS can kill any other depending on the situation (assuming skilled pilots). however, when it comes to the BCs the tiers cripple the prophecy and ferox almost completely.

and special mention -
Liam Mirren wrote:
Any list that doesn't have the Navy Osprey on it is by definition incomplete. Go and try make a Nosprey fit that makes sense, I dare you.
- seriously...
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-01-20 20:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalha Saldana
There is a lot of minor fixes that is really needed out there but these are my top candidates if there would be a big overhaul (in "need of buff" order)
augoror
scythe
ferox
sin
bellicose
prophecy
Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
#39 - 2012-01-21 01:08:24 UTC
Impairor, Ibis and Reaper all need 10m3 drone bandwidth to put them in line with the Velator, which is otherwise massively OP.

Opux Luxury Yacht - there needs to be moar of them so I can fly one.

Eidolon - needs to be made player-flyable.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#40 - 2012-01-21 03:00:39 UTC
easy way to fix active tanking bonus for ships (both shield and armor) is to make the 7.5% to effectiveness to internal reps also increase base armor or shield Hit Points Per Level...

that way in fleets the hp buffer hyperions and maels will have 37.5% more shields or armor...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
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