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Covert Ops - Scouting.

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Dharker Swift
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-01-15 14:45:23 UTC
I'm looking to start scouting properly for my corp, and i'm wondering if any of you nice people have any tips or know of any guides for this sort of thing?

I know roughly what i'm doing, i just haven't done it before. So any help would be welcome. I'm looking into doing it full time as well.

Thank you for your help.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2012-01-16 11:18:37 UTC
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Noisrevbus
#3 - 2012-01-16 14:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
Ooh, what you ask for is far too general to give you any short and sweet answers - but i can give you an overview.


  • Learn using the ingame map and it's mechanics, and master it so you can rely on it's information and mechanics on the fly.
  • Learn basic movement-object-grid-system awereness, proficiency in solo- and roaming pvp is important practise here.
  • Learn using the directional scanner, master it by learning how to use it on the fly together with the map and your combat awereness.
  • Learn using probes and master them by understanding how they in turn relate to the scanner and all else, with speed and accuracy.
  • Improve your ability to read, communicate and estimate the information flow from point two, in order to help your FC analyze and adapt.


A good way and place to start is in lowsec, using a small and fast ship. The regional mechanics are all on your side to make things easy for you. Play alone, or scout for a small gang. Target pirates (flashy red), point them and practise staying alive and disengaging when they push you off. By targeting pirates you ensure your own sec status don't drop, so you can continue to enjoy the abundant advantages of the outdated lowsec mechanics. Their larger ships will give you ample opportunities to practise and evade, while their smaller ships or other neutral players in smaller ships can't attack you without risking near instant destruction from station- and gate-guns.

You will also contribute positively to the game, since lowsec really need more beginning players learning PvP as a whole with the inherent advantages of anti-piracy on their side. You also have the benefit of getting to practise versus players with a higher general awereness of PvP - which will only make things easier when you deal with the lesser average player, but more demanding environment once you graduate to other forms of PvP. Facing a good player restricted by the sandbox offer a good foundation for learning.

From lowsec, look into trying FW which take away the advantages of evading other small ships that tackle and scout, so you learn how to deal with them. From there move to NPC 0.0 to experience limited effects such as anchorable bubbles, interdiction and bombs, and finally SOV 0.0 with it's myriad of meta-effects, such as learning to deal with intel-channels and hostiles organised in larger clusters with more direct home-court advantages.

If you can be more specific, ask more specific questions and i will try to give you better, concrete and more descriptive answers.

ed. also, the functionality, width-size perspective, as well as preview-to-actual on these new forums is still utter and complete ****. It's really interface design basics and your developers have not done their homework.
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#4 - 2012-01-16 18:14:02 UTC
If you have a home region, BM and tac the crap out of it. You should always have a safe, warp in, bubble bounce, etc, for any place your gang visits regularly.

Practice combat probing vs a moving target with a corpmate. Try to get the hang of the place>scan>recall trick, to keep your probes out of directional range as much as possible. With good timing, it's possible to have probes on the enemy's scan for no more then the scan duration.

Lastly, set up your overview filters so you can quickly give prioritized recon reports on voice com. Don't forget the old trick of holding CTRL to freeze the overview while you warp off. Multiple tabs with different filters makes Dscan more useful as well.
Gavin DeVries
JDI Industries
#5 - 2012-01-16 23:43:12 UTC
I don't know how up to date it is, but Agony Unleashed occasionally runs a CovOps class, and recently made their wiki public. Here's the Covert Ops entry:

http://www.agony-unleashed.com/wiki/index.php?title=Covert_Operations

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Ryuce
#6 - 2012-01-17 07:38:26 UTC
This thread recently went on for three pages on the Warfare & Tactics: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47210&find=unread. In there you will find a debate and advices (and some trolling) which seems relevant to your quiet broad spectre of interest.
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-01-18 16:22:29 UTC
Gavin DeVries wrote:
I don't know how up to date it is, but Agony Unleashed occasionally runs a CovOps class, and recently made their wiki public. Here's the Covert Ops entry:

http://www.agony-unleashed.com/wiki/index.php?title=Covert_Operations


great read thanks you , relativly simply put and nicely explained :)

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2012-01-18 18:18:34 UTC
learn how to dscan.

fit a goddamn mwd.

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Kagan Storm
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-01-18 18:28:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagan Storm
Dharker Swift wrote:
I'm looking to start scouting properly for my corp, and i'm wondering if any of you nice people have any tips or know of any guides for this sort of thing?

I know roughly what i'm doing, i just haven't done it before. So any help would be welcome. I'm looking into doing it full time as well.

Thank you for your help.


1. buy a mic
2. buy a good mike
3. buy a dam good mine
4. lear not to use it dont deepthroat it put it besides your mouth
5. remove the fluff from the mike... if you sound better with fluf put it back on
6. Use headphones so in case you live in a container or something you have 0 echo.
7. learn proper english. or moldavian or whatever you use as main launguage on ts
8. trim your mustash and lover beard a bit
9. your job is to report. not think. dont start with "aaaaaa..... uuuuuu....g....g.g.g.g.g.g.gggggg....ffffff....... red....i see on dscan aaaaa....uuuu mmmm...."
10. practise talking.... you need to report stuff loud, clear, understandable in less then 3 seconds.

thats more or less everything you need to know about scouting.... Bear

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