Intergalactic Summit

In response to opinions expressed here:

When I was a young man and watched Sobaseki's first indictment of the Federation at the New Oriyoni Collective I was moved to feeling and emotion by the words of a man who spoke honestly of Caldari exceptionalism, dignity, and resolve in the face of the tyranny of Federal liberal imperialism that would deny national self-sovereignty.

He spoke not of recourse to hate and fear, but of principled thought and action. A hope for the future where people are defined by their better natures in hard work and solidarity than in their worst natures such as the injustice, humiliation and recrimination that the Federation sought to impose upon the Caldari people.

I am left with disdain for those who, ever since the fait accompli of Tibus Heth, the CPD and the Templis over leadership in the Caldari State, continue to seek to subvert Sobaseki's message even as they proclaim themselves the stalwart defenders of his legacy and the Caldari people.

Their dogma of hate and fear was tacitly rejected three years ago but still it seems there are those who without warrant declare themselves as the representatives of a specious silent majority in the State as claim to the legitimacy to be the sole arbiters of political and cultural opinion.

Then as now, I believe a majority remained silent in the State not because they were supportive of an ideology written by thugs who understand only violence and intimidation but because if one values their own dignity and self-worth no one in their right mind would want to involve themselves with the vitriol and ignominy of rhetoric where any disagreement leads to the injustice of being chastised a traitor without cause or the humiliation and recrimination of being told one is not, "Caldari enough".

The tactics of censorship by falsely claiming to represent majority opinion; criminalizing contrary thought as, "Treason"; and outright intimidation, humiliation and recrimination on the basis of a false cultural dichotomy were the same used by Gallentean ultranationalists and which Matias Sobaseki spoke against.

The irony that Caldari ultranationalists such as in the CPD and the Templis used the same methods as their Gallentean counterparts that they railed so vehemently against was always a great joke lost on those who continuously delivered its punchline for over five years.

Instead of the solidarity and common cause Matias Sobaseki sought to build, ultranationalists in the State embarked upon the divisive and destructive course of persecuting anyone who did not agree with their own narrow brand definition of being Caldari and in particular its racial and cultural dimensions that they deemed to have sole ownership over.

They attempted to make being Caldari its own religion and they its only clerics and writers of dogma. Where the only qualifier to membership was race and the State was to be deified as a God, the Executor its Prophet, and anyone who found themselves in disagreement was to be hunted down as infidels by the unthinking fanaticism of zealots whose blind obedience was their religion. All the better to martyr themselves on the whims of a demagogue whose fears and hatred was never to be questioned.

I do not feel I was the only one who considered such a realization of the CPD's ambitions both abhorrent and dangerous.

More so when the history of being Caldari is the union of race and culture on the principles of mutual respect, consideration, and valuing the contributions of every individual who works towards the greater good of their society. It speaks not of the exclusion of anyone who is different but rather to the nature of inclusion by finding common cause and purpose even if differences do exist.

However finding common cause as Caldari despite differences requires open discussion and dialogue between disparate corporate interests and personal opinions without the interjections about who isn't or who is the most Caldari as some kind of false measurement of relevancy or endorsement; accusations of treason; or personal vilification on points of race, ethnicity, sexual preference, and gender. Such toxic and ignominious diatribe serves only as a form of censorship that detracts from the ability of fellow citizens to determine where common purpose, and thus the Greater Good, exists and is best served.

If we in the State are to live true to our meritocratic ideals then it must also be held that the very nature of meritocracy means that points of individual race, ethnicity, sexuality and gender are completely irrelevant in defining an individual place in society. It is only the merits of ones own ability, talents, drive, and hard work in service to a common purpose and a Greater Good considered more important than oneself that should define a person.

I am filled with nothing but sadness at all the potentially able, talented, driven and hard working people the State has lost because of the, "New Meritocracy," of the Provists which turned out to be not meritocratic at all. To not be born Deteis or Civire; to be, "Half-bred"; to be a homosexual; to name a few were all considered fair ground to discriminate and persecute individuals against by the CPD.

Instead of strengthening the State with talent and ability the Provists instead chose to weaken it abandoning the ideals of the Old Meritocracy in preference to their notions of racial and cultural, "Purity." Only to swell the ranks of criminal groups such as the Guristas or hostile powers such as the Federation or Republic with those they exiled if not outright killed, imprisoned, or reduced to non-citizenry for no other crime than simply being born.

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That's a serious insult to Caldari and Patriots, who were serving in the CPD and Templis, do you realize that? Provided your words are not empty slanders brought by a loudmouth you ought to bring proofs.


Unlike gallentean swines, there were no U-nat movement in the State. Provided you can't bring to the discussion peoples who will admit being ultranationalists and having Caldari citizenship, your words can be discarded as outrageous lie about Caldari people.


Unlike Federation we didn't have Black Eagles or similar organization, that was 'disappearing' unconcent peoples. So, unless it is nothing but a lie, brought just to stain Caldari reputation in a gallente-like fashion, that is only profitable to gallente. For this passage you must bring proof to following statements:
1) Any official claim about creating a new religion with 'being Caldari' as a focal point.
2) Any people, admitting of being or acting as clerics in the State, who support this religion.
3) Providing a name for this religion shall be done as a reference.
4) Any reference to the Executor as a Prohphet
5) Any action, executed by Caldari Navy, CPD, CEP, CBT or other organization, that was targeted on "infidels" with exclusion of: any entities, that showed support to official enemies of Caldari State, and any entities that were found simply incompetent for their positions (read as those, who were ousted during New Meritocracy reforms to get rid of nepotism).


That is now an utter lie and slander for sure. Because New Meritocracy brought nothing, but meritocracy instead. If you know at least one person who was removed from position without justification, bring them as a proof, unless you wish to discard your own reputation.
1. Under New Meritocracy people were not removed from their position. You forget about Achura, who are neither Deteis nor Civire, yet live among others as Caldari.
2. Being "half-bred" closes doors only in Corporate Marriage system, yet I heard neither of them were removed or prevented from taking any jobs based on that fact.
3. If a homosexual means a marriage between people of same gender, it was neither legal, nor recognized even before New Meritocracy. It was staying neither legal, nor recognized with coming of New Meritocracy, and I hope it will stay as neither legal, nor recognized in the future. And yes, for illegal activity personnel can be ousted and/or exiled.

"Discrimination" on criminal grounds sounds absurd. It is duty of any security forces to get rid of illegal elements and actions.

According to the most recent data available, the Caldari State is desecrated by the presence of over 84 billion filthy Minmatar subhumans dwelling within its borders. An entire ward of the majority-Minmatar area at the center of Arcurio functions as a huge red-light district.

My advice to the Caldari: build a wall, deport them all. All the Minmatar, that is.

Clearly the Caldari State also need cheap cowardly honor less blunt dumb weapons or you would not be employed kim.

Well, kim kinda said something nice about us...... sorta?

Not to take sides, but she has shot "non caldari" entities in the calmil in the past, a certain aar by py-re comes to mind. I don't know the details from both sides but that's the impression as to what the reasons were. And I have no doubt I'd get shot at in the beginning by her.

Now, now. You are both talking past each other - actually not really talking to each other at all but talking to a version of each other you find convenient for your arguments.

Matari Ronin - just because you can join the Militia that doesn't mean you have citizenship in the nationstate it serves. I served for over a year in the Amarr Militia, I was decorated by the Empire for my achievements and efficiency, I was given a rank that would have granted me authority over Amarrian pilots of lesser rank if Militia Rank worked that way... And I am no closer to being accepted as a part of the Empire now than I was at the start of that twelve month period.

I could serve another twelve months in the Crusade without altering the opinions of a single influential Amarrian about my qualities as a "servant of the Empire".

So, yes, Mister Ronin. You could join the Caldari Militia. You could fight the enemies of the Caldari people and recieve your militia rank commensurate with your services and receive your stipend commensurate with your abilities. You would be no more Caldari than you are now.

As for you, Diana, I can only assume you sat out the worst excesses of the Provist era in a sound-proofed hangar. The CPD and their Provist / Templis Dragonaur militias absolutely changed the rules on how breaches of cultural tradition were to be punished. There was a time when being openly homosexual would get you shunned, get you passed over for promotions, get you excluded from events and holidays - and then the Provists came and the punishment changed to having the boots put to you.

I know this. I attended the aftermath of plenty of those sorts of little parties.

Now, if you said to me that this sort of thing has been happening for centuries, you'd be right. Openly homosexual people who hung around prole bars and made a thing of their orientation would certainly earn a kicking. In the era of the Provists, though, it happened in the dorm blocks. It happened in the malls. It happened in the middle class residential blocks. It was policy to punish dissension openly to encourage others to conform.

At the end of Executor Heth's era he was openly talking about dismantling the Corporate State in favour of a Caldari State ruled from the center. This would have meant a sudden and enforced homogenising of Caldari culture. Heth's culture would have become Caldari culture - and this is NOT meritocracy. Meritocracy says that YOU are Caldari and I am Caldari and THEY are Caldari and each of them is as Caldari as each other - unless they abandon the collective good of their comrades to pursue their own petty interests - in which case we exclude them from the body politic.

Exclusion. Exposing. Exile. These have always been our punishments - to exclude those we do not want with us. We never held people within us who didn't want to be here - we expelled them like the poison they were. To do any different was new, it was wrong and it wasn't Caldari.

Pilot Tuulinen thank you for verifying my point. kim lied when she said there was no place in the Caldari State for the likes of me. I could indeed find a place in the Caldari State in it's militia if I so chose to do so, just as she has. kim has issues with facts when they are not to her liking. Fortunately the IGS forum is populated with many honorable Caldari and no one attributes kim's shallow bigotry to typical Caldari custom. Surprisingly for a person who claims to so love the Caldari State she selectively picks the parts of it's customs and history that fit into her warped perspective only.

Just a quick reminder whom are you offering it to. This pilot (Matar Ronin) has been known to lie about Caldari Officers repeatedly. He was "challenging to fight", but when I said I'd fight him, he started squealing like I wouldn't fight and keep spewing lies. Offering him something is pointless.


It is illegal activity. It shall neither be shunned, nor they should be assaulted for this. Both approaches are illegal and inefficient. They shall be either sent to correction facilities or exiled from the territory of the State.

As for cultural traditions - I have never seen that happening to anyone. But I hope you will agree with me, that if you are living in someone's home (like ours, the State), you shall follow rules of this home.


And again, illegal activities must not be tolerated. And if you are talking about homosexual people - as ones, who illegally commit marriage that is neither recognized nor legal in the territory of Caldari State, it is not dissension. It is an illegal activity.

Of course I don't say that if you violate the law, the law shouldn't be applied to you further. Beating violator of law is illegal and is a criminal offense as well and those who assaulted these so-called homosexual people must be detained and receive lawful punishment together with them.

Punishments without trials are illegal and cause more dissension. Laws are written for everyone, including those, who enforce these laws.


Of course, homogenising Caldari culture would make us like gallenteans, and this is unacceptable.
On the other hand, it is unacceptable as well to keep squabbles between ourselves and keep contesting between ourselves like we did it before the war. Now we have a common enemy and might stand united in the face of existential threat. Uniting corporations under single rule would not homogenize the culture, it will only consolidate Caldari forces into one fist, the fist strong enough to smash right through the Federation and put the end to the war. This is how the Raata Empire was born. But after the enemy was defeated, the Raata was dismantled. And as soon as we will destroy the Federation, the State again shall become a conglomerate of independent corporations, so we could compete again and make each other stronger, to advance our society in the future and to prepare us for the next conflict, if any one else will decide to attack us.


I agree. And that should be done with those whom you were writing about instead of assaulting them. But again, I did neither hear nor witness such conduct and have to rely only on your words about that.

Oh, I see gallente bottomfeeders are still spreading lies about Caldari Officers. Luckily for us, it is the maximum that these forum loudmouths can do. It is our duty to point on their lies, and shame people like Jason Galente for speaking them. We shall know the enemy. And we will fight them.

And remember, dear readers. The best weapon against gallente propaganda and slanderers like Jason is knowledge.