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Open Letter to CCP

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#21 - 2016-11-05 23:53:48 UTC
Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:

Plex price is governed more by mmo industry trends, oil prices, and geopolitics than by speculators.
The changes you suggest would stop the speculators, but the price would still rise.
You'd still be mad, and you would look for another scapegoat.


True, as was discussed in another thread, PLEX prices do depend on mmo industry trends, oil prices, and geopolitics. Knowing that, CCP is starting FTP on Nov. 8-- the same day as the U.S. presidential election.* Whether out of pure evil or just for the lulz of watching the chaos on Nov. 9, who knows?



*Also Vlad the Impaler's birthday.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#22 - 2016-11-05 23:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Khergit Deserters wrote:
CCP is starting FTP on Nov. 8-- the same day as the U.S. presidential election.* Whether out of pure evil or just for the lulz of watching the chaos on Nov. 9, who knows?



*Also Vlad the Impaler's birthday.


Nov 15.

Ascension release has been delayed a week.
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2016-11-06 00:52:45 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
CCP is starting FTP on Nov. 8-- the same day as the U.S. presidential election.* Whether out of pure evil or just for the lulz of watching the chaos on Nov. 9, who knows?



*Also Vlad the Impaler's birthday.


Nov 15.

Ascension release has been delayed a week.

Maybe that is a better date.

Rommel's birthday Big smile

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Ruddger
Vande-lay Industries
#24 - 2016-11-06 09:23:24 UTC
Bottom line is game time costs expressed in isk continue to rise. It used to be 200mil for a 90 day code and its risen since. A variety of reasons no doubt including inflation. CCP needs to act.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#25 - 2016-11-06 11:56:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Algarion Getz wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
I think that those who dont have to fly those blinged out battleships will downgrade.

You dont only loose access to blinged battleships, but all T2 and big ships. No intys, cov ops, HACs, exhumers, freighters, T3 destroyers, BCs, etc. You basically loose all the stuff you have trained skills for. You cant even get all the core skills as Alpha.

I dont know if you watched CCP Rise presentation on EVE Vegas, but he was pretty confident Alphas can have fun despite all of that. For free.

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Steffles
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-11-06 11:58:24 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
If CCP really wanted to keep the PLEX price down, they would do something involving the idiots who get blown up while hauling PLEX from one station to another.

Maybe have it that when a PLEX is destroyed in a ship explosion it causes a random rat somehwere in Eve to drop a PLEX. Which would do the following:
- Increase supply of PLEX, because we aren't losing any to stupidity. Ever PLEX purchased will survive until its redeemed or the account holding it gets banned.
- Cause more players to loot any rats they kill because there might be a PLEX in them. Slowing down how fast they kill them, thus slowing bounty payouts, thus slowing inflation and the rate PLEX price increase.




Personally I don't see the skyrocketing price of PLEX as a problem, as it hurts RMT because anyone selling ISK outside of the PLEX system finds that they get less $ per hour of farming. So I wouldn't implement that change to control the PLEX<>ISK price.

But I would be tempted to implement it to troll players. Which is why it's a good thing I'm not involved in game design.

CCP has a vested interest in plex being expensive.

If plex sold for 300mill like in the old days how many people would spend 100 bucks on 6 plex for 1.8 billion. If plex sold for 1 billion how many more people would spend 100 bucks for 6.8 billion.

I wouldnt' be surprised if plex prices were artificially raised to encourage people with RL money but who are time poor to purchase plex to sell for isk.

And of course it raises the bar for people who don't want to pay RL money to purchase plex with isk, at least some will end up purchasing subs with RL money because purchasing with isk is difficult.

Hey CPP - Time we put highsec back to how it was originally designed - http://i.imgur.com/GT0T0oS.jpg
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#27 - 2016-11-06 12:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Steffles wrote:

I wouldnt' be surprised if plex prices were artificially raised to encourage people with RL money but who are time poor to purchase plex to sell for isk.

And of course it raises the bar for people who don't want to pay RL money to purchase plex with isk, at least some will end up purchasing subs with RL money because purchasing with isk is difficult.

PLEX prices are artificially raised by the PLEX hoarders. PLEX is treated as gold. Some players have hundreds of them collecting dust in their hangars. I wouldnt be surprised if PLEX hoarding is the major price inflater.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#28 - 2016-11-06 12:46:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
CCP would need to remove a lot of ISK from economy causing deflation for people to stop hoarding PLEX. Now ISK is suffering from inflation because it can be printed by players infinitely.
Sources of ISK would have to be reduced permanently.

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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#29 - 2016-11-06 13:04:46 UTC
Um, don't buy PLEX if they're too expensive? I hope they hit two billion.

Ruddger wrote:
CCP needs to act.


No they don't
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#30 - 2016-11-06 13:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Mark Marconi wrote:
I don't see why CCP would interfere to drop the isk price of plex, after all if you are paying more to buy it, then the people who bought it of CCP are getting more in return for their cash.

It is a better deal for people with RL cash and subsequently they are more likely to purchase them at a higher rate, so CCP is likely to get more cash. CCP is a business and they dont pay their staff and rent using in-game currency.


At the same time, people will buy less PLEX because of it. I mean, back when I started it was 600m, you could buy a pirate battleship hull maybe? Nowadays you can buy two by dumping 1 PLEX on the market. So there's less need to cash in, if you're that kind of player. Mind you, this phenomenon is already happening, and the reduced supply drives the prices even higher. Feedback loop, etc.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2016-11-06 14:16:00 UTC
You seem to think you should get things for free. You would be wrong. PLEX market price is based on demand and always will be.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2016-11-06 14:18:20 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
CCP would need to remove a lot of ISK from economy causing deflation for people to stop hoarding PLEX. Now ISK is suffering from inflation because it can be printed by players infinitely.
Sources of ISK would have to be reduced permanently.


This is true. Cut out NPC buy orders for certain trash goods, remove all bounties and all NPC payouts for missions, and give all players a starting 500k. Basically, the ISK in the game would remain the same and all that would happen would be changing hands.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
#33 - 2016-11-06 15:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Violet Hurst
13kr1d1 wrote:
This is true. Cut out NPC buy orders for certain trash goods, remove all bounties and all NPC payouts for missions, and give all players a starting 500k. Basically, the ISK in the game would remain the same and all that would happen would be changing hands.


While a closed economy in a persistent game world seems fun to think about, I'd say it's probably impossible to implement. Even if you found a way to prevent ISK printing by making alts, which isn't exactly trivial and includes various infringements of your players' privacy, your players would probably switch to using alternate currencies pretty quickly. I would hazard that a hyper-deflated currency is just as useless for trading as a hyper-inflated one.



EDIT: formatting
u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
Ore No More
#34 - 2016-11-06 17:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: u3pog
From what I've heard PLEX costs 3-4 Billion ISK on Serenity (the Chinese server), consider such price and then complain about 1.2 Bil being too expensive. People cried about it back in 2008 when PLEX was 270 Mil ISK, they always will. Did CCP intervene? Maybe, in some rare occasions, but not in general.

If PLEX get's too expensive for a player ISK wise, there is always the option to pay by cash and stop worrying. Sometimes it may be easier to earn 20$ than 1.2 Billion ISK. Then we have the Ascension expansion coming to help those who can't afford either option.

o7
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2016-11-06 17:55:26 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Mark Marconi wrote:
I don't see why CCP would interfere to drop the isk price of plex, after all if you are paying more to buy it, then the people who bought it of CCP are getting more in return for their cash.

It is a better deal for people with RL cash and subsequently they are more likely to purchase them at a higher rate, so CCP is likely to get more cash. CCP is a business and they dont pay their staff and rent using in-game currency.


At the same time, people will buy less PLEX because of it. I mean, back when I started it was 600m, you could buy a pirate battleship hull maybe? Nowadays you can buy two by dumping 1 PLEX on the market. So there's less need to cash in, if you're that kind of player. Mind you, this phenomenon is already happening, and the reduced supply drives the prices even higher. Feedback loop, etc.

The other part is of course that those who have RL disposable incomes and a lack of time have left the game at a higher rate than those who have little RL disposable income but large amounts of time.

Subsequently when alphas come in and once again inflate ingame isk the price of plex will grow higher.

I for one am not complaining.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Conrad Makbure
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2016-11-07 02:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Conrad Makbure
Silly OP, lol.

Some things: NPCs should NEVER ever have plex in their loot tables for any damn reason. This is stupid. What CCP should add to the loot tables should be a junk loot item called "Spent Plex" with a description: "too bad you didn't act sooner". Lol.

Some more things: players decide the price of the plex with supply and demand. If the plex sells within hours of posting at 1B isk, it was probably sold for too low and therefore, the price will go up. I, too, hope they hit 2B isk; CCP does not need to act on anything. No - to limits on how many plex you can use. This is a bad idea as it will hurt plex sales and this is stupid. Things that hurt sales of real money revenue are bad ideas, ok?

In short, maybe pay for an account with real money?
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#37 - 2016-11-07 06:39:16 UTC
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#38 - 2016-11-07 09:41:39 UTC
one of these threads again, get better ratting boat then get better ticks then buy all plex on market and resell for your own prices, profit?, then log off and drink buckfast

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2016-11-07 10:55:24 UTC
I wish people wouldn't title their whine thread "Open letter to CCP" that is not going to make CCP read it. This is a player forum, please title your thread with the correct subject, so people can decide whether they want to read and get involved with it, instead of this click bait title which just obfuscates the whole forum.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#40 - 2016-11-07 11:11:13 UTC
cant you just cry in privacy instead of letting us all know you are crying by making silly open letters

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*