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[News] CALDARI MEGACORPS LEAD MILITARY CLONING EFFORTS ...

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#81 - 2016-11-04 20:14:54 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Your definition of "Caldari" is acceptable for you, but you're a fool if you think it's the correct one. There isn't a correct one. The universe does not care or even have a set definition for what "Caldari" is.

Why can't universe have a set definition for what "Caldari" is, wouldn't there be any Caldari at all if universe didn't have a set definition for them?

Universe doesn't define words, but we do. There is no Caldari race. There is no Caldari bloodline. There is no even unified Caldari culture, despite some groups of us try to unify it. Culture of Lai Dai is quite different from the culture of SuVee.

But there is a Caldari State. And to be Caldari one have to be loyal to the Caldari State, have to live in the Caldari State and have to work for the Caldari State.

To be Caldari means being part of our State.

Thank you for your explanation Mrs. Kim.

I do understand that universe doesn't define words, we do and that is clear. I was more curious about environment and outside factors shaping "things" giving them distinct features, in a sense that is universe defining matter that we try to name and categorize afterwards. So in other words if planet named Caldari Prime had a different location, climate, wildlife etc. then State could not have happened.

The planet gave only a start. The whole life of the Caldari State until last eight years we lived even without Caldari Prime - our home was occupied by Gallentean invaders, and only because of Tibus Heth we managed to liberate and return it back. The planet gave the name indeed, but it doesn't bound us anymore. The Caldari State spread across multiple words and covered multiple ideologies, among those Practical, Liberal and of course Patriotic. We live in space and in asteroids, on barren and lush planets, in different regions, in different climates. What has happened is happened and considering what would be different if things were made different doesn't hold merit. We shall consider what we are now, what we can do and what we can change.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#82 - 2016-11-04 20:33:33 UTC
Actions speak louder than words.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#83 - 2016-11-04 21:47:09 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:


Which makes me wonder: are you punishing yourself? Is isolation something you think you deserve for being an awful person? Are you ensuring that you spend your pseudo-immortal existence in a hell you're making for yourself?

It's really sad to see, Veiki.

... I wonder how long it'll be before the loneliness has you reaching out to someone again. Maybe someday someone will actually be able to help.

I hope so.


I would say you are reading far too much into things. This is not reaching out, this is a disabusing of a past persona.

It matters not what you may or may not think of it. Despise me or admire me; agree or disagree; I will continue to do what I feel I must do.

Stitcher wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Was your paragon really a thoughtless person who thought his beliefs were beyond questioning?


I would say it is more that I am not so thoughtless a person as to question the beliefs of my kirjuunen who fought and died alongside me on battlefields stained with their blood before you were even born, Ms. Jenneth. To question my beliefs is in itself to doubt the significance of their sacrifices, and betray my loyalty to them even in death.


Today is not yesterday.

Sacrifices that were necessary, correct and honorable when the people who made them, made them, might be unnecessary and even entirely the wrong thing to do in the circumstances of the present.

The legacy of the honored dead guides us: it does not rule us.

We must still be self-sufficient in our decisions. We must use our own faculties of reason, our own observations and our own experience to help us interpret the experiences of our ancestors, but here and now we are the rock in the stream. We are the hand on the tiller.

The world changes, and we must adapt. There is no disrespect in deciding that what your ancestors did would be inappropriate here and now even though it was appropriate then and there.

And of course there's every possibility that an ancestor's sacrifice was NOT the right thing to do then and there. They were just as human and fallible as we are, using just the same limited perspective and knowledge to do the best they could in their own difficult times. Some of them will have failed, or sacrificed what they did not need to. Those lessons are just as valuable.


"How shall I go in peace without sorrow? Nay, not without a wound in spirit shall I leave this city.

Long were the days of pain I spent within its walls, and long were the nights of aloneness; and who can depart from his pain and aloneness without regret?

Too many fragments of the spirit have I scattered in these streets, and too many are the children of my longing that walk naked among these hills, and I cannot withdraw from them without a burden and an ache.

It is not a garment I cast off this day, but a skin that I tear with my own hands."


Kurilaivonen|Concern

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#84 - 2016-11-04 23:05:21 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I would say you are reading far too much into things. This is not reaching out, this is a disabusing of a past persona.

And so you cast off one mask, only to take up another. This mask says awful things. But who is wearing it?

Should I now believe your new face is your true one, "Fake Veik"?

Perhaps you're trying to figure that out, yourself?

Quote:
It matters not what you may or may not think of it. Despise me or admire me; agree or disagree; I will continue to do what I feel I must do.

It seems as though you wouldn't waste your time with me if my thoughts were really meaningless to you.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#85 - 2016-11-05 02:00:10 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I would say you are reading far too much into things. This is not reaching out, this is a disabusing of a past persona.

And so you cast off one mask, only to take up another. This mask says awful things. But who is wearing it?

Should I now believe your new face is your true one, "Fake Veik"?

Perhaps you're trying to figure that out, yourself?



I have not said anything contrary to what I have said here already in the past. I only kept them out of the fore while in PY-RE. I no longer feel the need to keep up appearances for the sake of others.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2016-11-06 01:01:53 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
"How shall I go in peace without sorrow? Nay, not without a wound in spirit shall I leave this city.

Long were the days of pain I spent within its walls, and long were the nights of aloneness; and who can depart from his pain and aloneness without regret?

Too many fragments of the spirit have I scattered in these streets, and too many are the children of my longing that walk naked among these hills, and I cannot withdraw from them without a burden and an ache.

It is not a garment I cast off this day, but a skin that I tear with my own hands."


Please forgive me; I'm not fluent in cryptic poetry.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#87 - 2016-11-08 12:06:41 UTC
Stitcher wrote:


Please forgive me; I'm not fluent in cryptic poetry.


Yeah, it's really deep, makes you think, eh?

No.

You are correct, and so is Aria.

The truth... the truth is I am disgusted. Disgusted by myself, and what I have become. Become because my only value as a person and as a human being is in my viciousness and cruelty. I can stack the body bags up high without even thinking, without even feeling. That is, as Aria, would say a remarkably awful thing to do.

That is however, who I am now. Just another merchant of death in a Cluster full of them. Do I want to be this way? No, not really. To turn back, though? Well that would be the cheap and easy option. Just to pretend like my hands don't have these ignoble and inhuman blood on them. Go buy a nice little place out in the middle of nowhere, get married, have some kids like nothing ever happened.

That would be easy option, but I don't think it's the right one.

That is why I managed my exile in the way I have, I can never return fully to the people and land of my birth which even now I still love with my very being, heart and soul.

Even if what I love about Kaalakiota will never be known or understood by the mediocre talent State colleges seem to reject into its capsuleer programs -- so full of empty platitudes about, "For the State," But so little substance that they think talking about hating Gallenteans and killing them makes them some kind of super special elite Caldari State forces and not the talentless scrubs of laughably hardcore-edginess trying too hard to get validation and attention that they in fact are.

It's damn painful to watch supposed adults acting like when I was a child crying, "For the State!" Playing pretend shooting games with creche-mates. It's either that or taking Caldari anime tropes as real life before going off to be the most loyal loyalists loyal to the Caldari State who were ever loyal loyalists.

It's the most cringe-worthy and cancerous thing a person like me has ever had to experience, which is why I sometimes feel like before interacting with Caldari capsuleers I have to carry a few intravenous drips of cytotoxic compound for on-the-spot chemotherapy.

They're so mind-numbingly stupid and ignorant as this entire thread has demonstrated that they can't even dissemble properly -- logically or axiomatically -- instead trying to spout their opinion as what they think is official derived State opinion on the matter.

Except here's the reality: There isn't an official derived State opinion. There are only varied Caldari opinions on any matter or topic and no one person in the State exists as the Harbinger of The One Sole State Truth.

That's the thing really, there's always this apparent preoccupation with trying to prove how Loyal and a Good Caldari one is by expressing some kind of unquestioning obedience to a conception of, "For The State," Written by some kind of Anime otaku with zero life experience whose sole worldview is written by cringe-worthy tropes and free encyclopedias that they don't even recognize what makes Admiral Yanala a modern Caldari hero.

It is because she spoke truth to power and refused to compromise on what she believed in, even if it meant she had to refuse an order.

That's because she was a true Caldari and knew the difference between a Ruler and a Leader.

A Ruler demands obedience, and unquestioning loyalty to authority, power, as defined in absolute to themselves.

A Leader inculcates loyalty by being an example of belief and values, they seek to build consensus and they value both the opinions and contributions of those they lead in a pact of mutual obligation between themselves and those they lead.

The Caldari people have no Rulers but they have many Leaders. Tibus Heth wanted to be a Ruler, but in the end he could not overcome Leaders such as Admiral Yanala, the CEO of the Megas, and the Officers of the State Defence Forces who in all took example from past Leaders like Tovil-Toba or Sobaseki.

Leadership always requires discussion, whether it was like when I was a Sargeant in the Home Guard and my CO would ask me my thought and opinions along with other NCO or when I was a Company XO and I would talk to my NCO about how best to fulfill a Mission Order.

When I read through this thread it's apparent that Caldari capsuleers seem to have very little conception of what leadership actually entails in preference of trying to impose their opinion as the absolute opinion of the State-As-Ruler.

Which in a sense, what I was trying to point out. When the only argument proclaimed State, "Loyalists" Had to say about my Devil's Advocate opinion on Race in the State was essentially the ad hominens of, "You're Gay," Or, "You're a Traitor," Because the State said so, it's pretty evident to me there isn't much going up on in their heads.

As for my opinions on them:

Race: It's a cultural and social construct much like Caldari itself is. Re-defining Caldari to be more inclusive as a cultural/social construct allows better competition and resilience against other inclusive powers such as the Fed/Empire.

Homosexuality: The sexual deviancy laws regarding them were a relic of the policies focused on increased reproduction of which the tube programs were ancillary. With the dropping of the tube programs and current State populations they are laws that should be re-addressed.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2016-11-08 12:27:45 UTC
*slow clap*

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost