Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have posted on the merits of the suggestion. You're asking for easy mode (as several have pointed out). The game doesn't need it and you don't deserve it.

I don't hate goons. That's just a cop out on your part. I've admired how goons as a group have dominated a truly difficult game from the micro to the macro levels. The group had a great run right up until they lost touch with the game part of the game and went all corporate they had a lot of respect and credibility.

Was I disappointed w/ WWB? Yes (I think its fair to say MOST of Eve is). Was I surprised? Not really. Years of 'winning' left the empire as a toothless husk. The current play by ping strategy isn't going to work. It doesn't take an Eve genius to figure out why.

Pope pretty much nailed it. You're looking for a risk free way to stage both for pve and pvp. You're citing current mechanics as too difficult and cumbersome. The game doesn't need that sort of thing. Eve truly is better now that 2 apex fleets can't log in and wonk at will.

6 years ago half of Eve would be saying "fooking goons, they've manage (again) to bend the game to their needs". Now - you're coming here saying "it's too difficult and too risky" with current mechanics - "please please give us an easy mode to do what we want"

Your idea isn't flawed and adjustable. It sux and is being turned down outright. I get that it may feel a bit Ouchy, but don't just default to "you're a goon hater" as it isn't true. I like long walks on the beach, Baltec1, AF. Dislikes are risk averse lazy mechanics.

You say this "This platform shouldn't be a way to invade into hostile space for long as it offers none of the logistics required for a sizable force to use with impunity. "

After you say this "With the upcoming removal of POSes, there is going to be a massive hole in the ability to deploy a fast short-term base of operations for small groups like incursion runners, mobile PvP and even larger scale deployment."


Which is it?


I get it, you want this thing and you're committed to it. Changing your story at the top of page 2 doesn't really help your cause though. It just makes you look desperate.


Getting rid of POS and POS code was for functionality. We all know that. I think what you're missing is that the change over to citadels came with a few other changes. Fatigue and so on. The game is evolving. Specifically evolving away from power projection and ANYTHING that aids power projection. I think the gap you're trying to fill is being intentionally put there. You need to consider that maybe, just maybe Eve is evolving away from 'tents when you are out hiking'.


Our difference is you feel there needs to be a tent and I feel it's better without one. The structure you're proposing can do a lot of things you're not mentioning quite well. It's an invasion tool. A cheap safe zone you can move around at will. I'm against safe zones, more against cheap safe zones and strongly against movable cheap safe zones. I feel Eve needs more ways to lose ships and other stuffs and less ways to keep them safe. You have 9,999 friends.... do you really need a tent to be safe??

You're contradicting yourself.

You're not willing to risk your "ships that outvalue caps" BECAUSE you are actually asking for a safe place to log them out in hostile territory.

In stead of, you know, establishing occupancy in jump range of your target system.

To be clear, I have no stake in this idea any more. However, the ability to 'stage fleets' well outside their own jump ranges from occupied systems has been a problem with nullsec warfare for a long time

I simply do not believe that any entity, big or small, deserves a pop-up defensible position just for the asking.

If you want to invade space, invade the ******* space. Establish occupancy, jump fleets in, remove the existing defenses and occupants well enough to successfully online your own ******* structures.

People don't need special war tents they can sneak in to the system during off hours to enable assaults because jump bridges already allow staging in a safe, defensible position.

There's no NEED for forward assault positions because you can bridge directly to your target. If your target is too far away to bridge within the limits of fatigue... conquer a closer system. 24 hours to online is risk. An hour or three to online is an excuse to drop stuff when nobody is around to stop you and you have no intention of fighting to establish the deployment.

But... but.... how will you then hold 3 constellations with a fleet that can't jump all the way across and back on a daily basis? Simple. You don't. Your reach exceeds your grasp, and the new structure mechanics do a lot to curb overreach actually being sustainable. While you're more interested in projecting for PVE, you can not simply ignore the implications on the greater sov metagame of such structures.

The largest null entities have been spoiled for a long time, given ample opportunites to easily control vast portions of space with relatively tiny corresponding ability to apply force. When that gets scaled back for the good of null as a whole, people *****. People bitched about jump fatigue and this entire suggestion here is bitching about the loss of 24 hour invulnerability bubbles.

Suck it up. If you're really willing to risk your billions in fancy pirate caps or shiny battleships or whatever people use for null incursions, ******* risk them. if you want them to be safe while you log out, ******* park them in safe space.

That's what people who roam said sov areas do every day. They get ships, they jump ships without dropping structures, they go home.

This is a good idea.

It replaces the functionality we are losing when POS's go away.

Some limitations:

1. Cannot be deployed in High Security space
2. It drops loot, everywhere (Low, Null, WH). No asset safety.
3. 16 hour vulnerability, 24 hour reinforcement timer (defender does not get a choice as to when the timer comes out)
4. Largest size takes one hour to anchor, one hour to unanchor.
5. Equivalent armament to an Astrahus, if manned
6. Can fit weapons, compression, and clone services. Nothing else.

I also think that there will be a gap, once POSs are removed. For example now you can setup a POS in a non-station system, mine there, compress your minerals, take down the POS when you're finished, and leave. You can't do that with citadels.