Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Wander
Of course I am ok with players perching off gates and looking at *stuff*. Heavens, why would I want that to stop?

I am fine with lots of things.

I am fine with getting rid of all that "free stuff players get without deserving it" in portions of null-sec that players use. Like gates and local real time information.

Closing down local and gates in some null-sec locations without warning would be lulzy. Making both work erratically would be lulzy. Making both player manipulatable would be lulzy.

But those null-sec systems would no longer be null-sec in anything other than name.

I am fine with introducing all kinds of worm-hole type mechanisms into portions of null-sec.

But I am not fine with removing local without replacing it with other real time information mechanisms (note the use of plural).

While doing that may render afk cloaky camping redundant, it would also result in less ships in space. Which is the only problem I have with afk cloaky camping in the first place.

Ratpack
local real time information = local

No one is complaining about the chat function I believe (though goodness knows, people will complain about anything).

I don't care what real time information mechanisms might some day replace local for as long as real time information is consistently available to individual players.

Because otherwise there will be less ships in space.

I don't really believe my reasoning is particularly difficult to follow.

Ratpack
We will just have to agree to disagree on goals

Mine is for more ships to die in nullsec
Yours is for it to be more dangerous for any ships that are undocked in nullsec

These goals are incompatible.

Vic
I concern myself with what is. Not how we wish players were.

Afk cloaky camping is bad only because it kills content.

So yepp, I think afk cloaky camping should be tempered somewhat to increase content.

Nothing dramatic. As I have outlined many times.

I imagine you have noted my signature.

Omna
They would run like the girls they are. And some of them would screw up and get caught. I am operating with a 3% human error failure rate.

3% of something is greater than 100% of nothing.

You caught my expectations. In the order of magnitude 1000nds more ships in space. In the order of magnitude of 100ds more kills a day.

Not only that, but not sure there can thousands more ships in space because there are only 20-30 thousand logged in even at peak times. A chunk of those will be in HS, LS, and WHs. So maybe hundreds might undock, and that would only be in systems that were previously being camped. And how many of those are there?

It creates content. Something you have wholesale ignored from many posters. It's just not the content you want.

Your words would have more weight to them if you actually had experience hunting or roaming in deep null. As it is, they are pretty hollow.

Because it's not broken nor does it need fixing. The only thing you need is a healthy dose of HTFU as it seems to be that the lack of it causes the cloak-whine.

Omna
I know. Hence bounty decreases being a premise for tempering (not removing) afk cloaky camping.

Ratpack
1000nds more on a daily basis. You know that, bro. Goodness knows I have said it often enough.

Sonya
Its not about me, sis. Reported for adhom.

Vic
Nope. Afk cloaky camping relies on habituation get kills. Hang around until players get used to the afk cloaky camper, and finally make a mistake and undock.

afk cloaky camping is hideously inefficient. Counter-counter play (pretending to be uncloaked by the 5 hour timer) will generate more kills for afk cloaky campers than they get now. If skillfully played.

xcom
The problem with afk cloaky camping is it kills content by keeping players docked.
Removing local renders afk cloaky camping redundant, but would kill content by keeping even more players docked.

So does not resolve the problem I see at all.

Ratpack
Exactly. afk cloaky campers need to HTFU and accept some volitility in their gameplay.

Sonya
Providing alternate ways for individual players to gain consistent real time information is the premise for being able to disable local. But good to know you would support a way to hunt/track cloaked ships.

Omna
I expect to see a double digit % reduction in the number of afk cloaky camped systems.

I would not care to wager the level of bounty reductions (measured in isk/ship hour) beyond suggesting the order of magnitude (double digit reduction) as we do not really know how bounties decompose. To what degree do ratting carriers (or whatever) inside blue doughnuts inflate total bounty numbers.

More intelligent rats (overseers + henchmen flying off with their personal things if not overseer not scrammed when facing losing battle) might be as easy a way to nerf bounties as anything. And sort of fits the direction CCP wants to move in.

But who knows. All I know is that bounty reduction is a premise for introducing a command burst style charge for cloaking modules (ie a 5 hour timer), not a coscequence as I initially thought.

Edit
ok, I laughed. Bosses saying "screw this" and warping out of rooms with the final wave of henchmen would irritate the crap out of everyone.

It must be a good idea :-).