Missions & Complexes

This are honest questions to players that understand the game better then I do, and have a grasp of mission running, ships, and maintenance costs.

Purely asking this to see if anyone has already thought about this, and had an opinion. I'm not asking anyone to do research for me, I'm just curious.

* is there one starting Faction that would be superior as far as mission running for ISK?

For example, starting as Amarr and Lasers automatically means you will have (close to) zero ammo costs as T1 crystals don't burn out, also meaning more cargo capacity, and the fact that by shooting Sansha rats in that region, you are always using the correct damage type, or would Caldari still be best based on the fact they can just pick specific damage types, but need to deal with constant ammo upkeep? Also, ECM, as if I remember correcty, rats in Caldari space have use Dampening, and might shut down Alpha ships.

* Self production of ships vs bulk market buy.

Could an Alpha with limited production skills make his own Frigates cost effectively from doing full mission salvage clears from L1/L2? Or is that a massive waste of time? Time spent in missions is far less important for an Alpha - if they are actually enjoying the time spent - then players that needs to blitz or make optimal use of time because they need to PLEX each month.

* Doing L3/L4 missions with an Alpha fleet.

If a small Alpha Corp was using group mission running to create funds for PVP, you have to balance number of players vs mission rewards, would the opinion here that Blitzing would be optimal, or that a full-clear fleet would be better? It seems that with low level Salvage skills it might take excessive time to do that kind of work.

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I've been trying to figure out numbers, and other then getting lucky with exploration sites, normal mission running with Alpha's seem a very grindy activity. The best risk-reward seems to be - to me, anyway - taking chances with C1 Wormholes, that is why I thought I'd ask some questions.

To make isk you need to run burners + blitzable missions. To run burners you need 2 chars piloting frigs, cruisers. For blitzable missions you can use Tengu. This way you don't even need BS. To make even more isk and support PvP join 0.0 alliance in Guristas / Mordus / Soe stations. Never do full clean.

To be efficient you need Wolf, Worm, Daredevil, Vigilant, Cerberus, Gila skills.

Note, that while the market can of course vary a somewhat peculiar long term trend has been that most T1 ships can be found for sale at below their production cost. Thus to be honest most alpha characters would be better off selling the raw materials and buying the ship, netting a small net profit.

Aside from the reasons already I would also consider player population density for starting faction. Caldari space is full of people with all the benefits and drawbacks that brings.

Also if you're interested in exploration avoid Amarr. Their exploration frigate is going to be painful for alpha explorers due to the low number of mid slots.

Good answers so far and I have little to add so I will go this way.

T1 cruisers even a fleet of them will have a very hard time in level 4 missions, not because of damage out put but because of the damage you will need to tank. Faction / dead space fits with a heavy reliance on AB or MWD will be needed to make this work and even then plan on having to warp in and out a lot for to repair damage.

Doing a brief look at the skills restrictions and how that would affect the ships / fits you could fly my advice would be to ignore level 4 missions and run level 3's as teams. Using 4 players as an example break into two teams with 2 ships in each team, each team runs a separate level 3 mission and then you all meet up at the agent to turn in and then wash, rinse and repeat . This process will get you more LP / ISK per hour than the same 4 players struggling to get through a single level 4.

Did you read the OP, Alpha Clones they cant use T2 ships, T3 or pirate faction ships.



Sell Loot and buy ships/modules. Most item in eve are sold at very close to cost assuming good skills . Its hardly worth making stuff yourself with a Omega clone let alone Alpha.



Sure, with a 2 T1 Logi you could survive any HS mission, Once you go over 300-400 DPS its just about completion time. With a lot of Logi and as much buffer as you can fit you should most likely run anything in HS including incursions (you would be competed to death but you would survive) .


C1 might be doable solo but would be pretty tricky. WIth multiple people and Logi you could handle any WH sites but C5 and C6 would require a huge buffer and a tonne of Logi and Losses will most likely happen as people may get alpha-ed off the field.



Based on a few fits i knocked up on Pyfa a single Augoror can rep 500+ EHP per second on a T1 ship with 2 EANM and a DC2. With a maller getting 40K+ EHP (better than a lot of Missions ships) with that and a 1600mm plate. So as long as sites dont alpha more than 23K (EHP of a 800mm Augoror) you can do any site with enough logi.

Not saying it will be cost effective, just that its possible if not down right easy to do lvl4s or even C3 and maybe even C4 WHs (I have been in a C4 running site with Talos and Logi and they ahve about the same EHP as an alpha clone Maller).

Yes you can. It won't necessarily be the most efficient in a solo endeavour, but it is achievable. Gurista missile damage is kinetic specific and fairly easy to defend against with the right resistance. Alphas may need a selection of NPC-specific fits for most missions whereas Omegas would often be able to utilize a single one-stop fit.